Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Murder of Rosa Luxemburg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was DELETE User:Premeditated Chaos 02:49, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

The Murder of Rosa Luxemburg
Non-notable band. Fails WP:MUSIC on most counts.


 * Has never had a top 100 hit
 * Has never been on a major tour
 * Has not released two or more albums on other than self-label
 * Not listed on allmusic.com
 * No members famous from other notable groups
 * Has won no major music awards

And finally, the band has split up and no longer exists. &spades;DanMS 03:54, 30 September 2005 (UTC) TO address your final point "The band has split up and no longer exists" the band are actually still in existance working to get their final album done (which also, by the way, invalidates Point 3 of your argument), the band are not necessarily splitting up but inner turmoil may lead to line-up changes and FURTHERMORE there are numerous bands who have split up on Wikipedia, yet that doesnt make it a valid reason for removing their Wikipedia page. Wikipedia is a resource for people to find information and there is little to no point in making unnecessary deletions such as deleting this when there are editorials on the make up of the turd the author took yesterday hovering around wikipedia. Your time is better spent being a busy body on the really unnecessary wikipedia pages.WFCO 15:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete NN. Nateji77 04:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, as per WP:MUSIC. --FuriousFreddy 04:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn. Marcus22 12:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Point 2 of WP:MUSIC states "Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in a large or medium-sized country" not as it has been misquoted by the nominator, a "major tour" Evidence of tours: http://www.toxicpete.co.uk/tmorl.html http://www.indigoflow.co.uk/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=48 Therefore they have toured the UK, meet point 2 and are notable. There is no shortage of online journalism about this band. Also, besides your stating that the band no longer exists being factually incorrect, since when was that a criterion for deletion? Stephen 12:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep As SilhouetteSaloon said they have been on a national tour of the country playing noted venues such as the London Astoria. They have released one album and three Eps on UNDERGROOVE records which is not a self run label it a MAJOR label currently holding contracts for bands such as Alexisonfire and Johnny Truant http://www.undergroove.co.uk. As to point 4 "not Listed on All Music.com" All Music has a reasonably pathetic database of English rock music, providing little to no information on major bands such as Million Dead which are given nothing except the genre "Rock" and a picture of their first album. Further proof of their mainstream existance can be found in the fact that their album is available from Amazon.co.uk http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000E6RR5/qid%3D1128090115/202-4739900-3915855
 * Comment Hmmm.. no need to be unpleasant. Surely the point about the band splitting up is a fair one in as much as were the vote to be borderline, the fact that they had split up would probably tilt the vote against keeping the article. (Not by virtue of the fact that they had split up - as you rightly say, many bands have split up but are still included - but by virtue of the fact that in splitting up they would be unlikely to become more notable).  Marcus22 13:42, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment: The first source given did not talk about a tour, it said they were playing gigs.  This is not the same thing.  The second one mentioned "a short 5-date tour" with 2 other bands, it's not clear who the headliner was.  I'm thinking they don't meet WP:MUSIC, but the apparent existance of a record makes me wonder. Friday (talk) 14:44, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment: Your differentiation between playing lots of gigs over a short period of time and and touring sounds to me like big business promotional rhetoric. And there's nothing 'apparent' about the existence of recorded output Stephen 16:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * My comment was not intended that way at all. I'm an independant musician myself, and my band plays gigs, but we do not "tour".  I'm all in favor of music being made outside of "big business".  Unfortunately, I think the tone of this discussion has gotten unneccessarily combative.  Remember, we all want to do what's right for Wikipedia.  Sometimes we have different opinions.  Friday (talk) 16:09, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm afraid I agree with Friday's interpretation of the 'tour' &mdash; it just wasn't, I'm afraid. Releasing EPs doesn't really make the grade unless they significantly chart, and WP:MUSIC wants two albums. However, having split up is irrelevant. -Splash talk 21:08, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, per media coverage. WP:MUSIC only demanded ONE requirement to be passed, last time I looked. Kappa 23:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Point 4 requires Major media coverage, it does not require it to be specifically All music.com and I've found an issue of Rock Sound in which they feature http://www.rock-sound.net/current_issue.php?issue_id=55 Do a word search you'll find them there which, i think, is enough to keep them on Wikipedia. WFCO 01:35, 31 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, as per nominator, do not meet WP:MUSIC requirements. User:Zoe|(talk) 07:15, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. Gamaliel 03:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as evident by tour info OmegaWikipedia 06:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete for lack of meeting WP:MUSIC criteria. Friday (talk) 13:57, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.