Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Music of Heatmiser


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Heatmiser.  MBisanz  talk 00:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The Music of Heatmiser

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Fails WP:MUSIC. No notable label. No major coverage in independent sources. It is a self released EP/Demo. Google proves non-notability. The EP is hard to search for, but seems to be non-notable based on the results of the search. Delete Undead Warrior (talk) 08:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.   -- Undead Warrior (talk) 08:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   -- Undead Warrior (talk) 08:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Demo cassettes have a hard time meeting notability standards, and this one doesn't seem to be the exception.&mdash;Kww(talk) 14:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: non-notable demo WP:MUSIC. JamesBurns (talk) 06:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * KEEP: This entry is worth keeping because it qualifies as "history". Just because someone has crafted snooty rules about what constitutes history worthy of remembering doesn't mean that this entry shouldn't be kept.  If this entry doesn't meet WP:MUSIC's criteria, then I believe those criteria should themselves be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crath (talk • contribs) 01:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:MUSIC will not be pruned to fit this non notable demo. There are no reviews about this on the web. It does not belong on an encyclopedia.Undead Warrior (talk) 03:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's see if I understand your reasoning: because no one reviewed this recording then those reading about the history of Heatmiser shouldn't be able to learn about it through Wikipedia? Christopher Rath (talk) 14:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, you do not understand my reasoning yet. Let me break it down a bit. In WP:MUSIC, demo albums are not notable unless they have received multiple reviews or been covered in multiple third party sources. This demo has not. Also, I have not said that the demo cannot be merged with the Heatmiser article, I am just saying that the demo does not deserve a page of itself, nor does it qualify for one under WP:MUSIC. Undead Warrior (talk) 21:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Your suggestion to merge the content would make sense if it were not for other WP rules about content: those rules state that an image of a tape/CD can only appear on a standalone album page. So, which so-called "rule" shall we choose to violate; the one you quote, or the one regarding the use of images?  I believe it's more rational to allow this album entry to exist; since it is an album.  Just because no third party reviewed that album isn't a reason to pretend that it doesn't exist.  If this album had been created for pure "demo" use and never sold (or never been distributed in the wild) then I would agree that it shouldn't have an entry; however, this was sold from the stage by the band to the public and so does exist as a "real" album.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crath (talk • contribs) 14:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The ones that you appear to have already chosen to violate are Verifiability and No original research. The "snooty rules" that we have here are that history is only recorded in Wikipedia if it has already been properly recorded outside of Wikipedia first.  These are in fact far from "snooty", and indeed are basic to the nature of an encyclopaedia built using a wiki that anyone can edit, and fundamental parts of this project. Sources! Sources! Sources! Uncle G (talk) 18:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. However, I see nothing wrong with incorporating its historical aspects in the main artist article, Heatmiser.
 * Merge to Heatmiser. The tape was sold so goes beyond being purely a demo, and is included in heatmiser discographies, e.g. in Martin C. Strong's The Great Indie Discography (Canongate, 2003), and in the Trouser Press entry for Hetamiser . Lack of substantial independent coverage of the tape itself suggests a merge to the band's article would be in order. Certainly shouldn't be deleted. The image of the tape could be included in a section of the band's article specifically about the tape.--Michig (talk) 21:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


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