Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Naked Man (How I Met Your Mother)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List_of_How_I_Met_Your_Mother_episodes. As ArbCom have pointed out twice - Television episodes and Unclear status, the community are not applying the appropriate guideline consistently. Under that guideline this article should not yet be created. Such a view is supported by the long-standing NOT policy - WP:PLOT. While the article can be developed, our policies and guidelines and current thinking is that articles are not created which are both unsourced and contain no encyclopedic content, so the development should take place in a suitable arena until the article conforms to policies and guidelines. Satisfactory content can be built up in a parent article and then moved out in WP:Summary style to a standalone article when ready.  SilkTork  *YES! 00:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

The Naked Man (How I Met Your Mother)

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Delete because it fails both the general notability guidelines and the film guidelines. It seems that every episode of How I Met Your Mother has an article, and most of them are just plot summaries with some additional WP:OR labeled as "Continuity" and "Cultural references". Articles should not be just plot summaries - Plot-only description of fictional works. In addition most of these, like this one have no citations to reliable secondary sources with significant coverage. The guidelines specifically exclude, from notability consideration, sources: such as newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews," plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides such as "Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide," "Time Out Film Guide," or the Internet Movie Database. Because I do not expect this Afd to go smoothly, I have nominated only one of the episodes, one with no proper sources, in order to get a sense of what the community believes. My predilection would be to see just one article per television series, except for series, like Startrek (TOS), where every episode has, in fact, had significant coverage. --Bejnar (talk) 00:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per reliable sources subsequently discovered below, and failing that:
 * Move to How I Met Your Mother (season 4). High level plot summaries in seasonal articles are ok (this one will need condensing), virtually writing out the entire script is not (both from policy and potentially copyright points of view). -- samj in out 00:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 00:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 00:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sorry to disagree here, but I found several independent - third party - verifiable sources that covered this specific episode, as shown here . Hope this helps.  Thanks ShoesssS Talk 00:59, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, sources: such as newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews," plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides such as "Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide," "Time Out Film Guide," or the Internet Movie Database. don't meet the criteria. Don't provide a link to a Google News list, provide an actual citation that meets the requirements. --Bejnar (talk) 01:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Not to get into a major disagreement here but, where does it say "... sources: such as newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews," plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides such as "Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide," "Time Out Film Guide," or the Internet Movie Database. don't meet the criteria."? Are these not all third party - creditable - verifiable - independent news sources?  Don’t we depending on them to verify the legitimacy that the piece is factual and accurate? Second, regarding "..., provide an actual citation that meets the requirements"  are not the sources I listed above fulfilling those requirements?  Providing the List, as I did, is just for verification that those sources are there and I am not just making them up. Hope this helps.  ShoesssS Talk 01:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't help. I think that you are mixing the point about substantial and reliable.  The reason that those sources are excluded for notability purposes is that they are not substantive, even though they may be reliable.--Bejnar (talk) 03:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Sources exist. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:34, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What sources? Do those sources meet the requirements of the guidelines? --Bejnar (talk) 03:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep per Articles for deletion/Blackout! (Ugly Betty). At that AfD, I became aware of, and noted the following:  "Seems like there is lots of past hoopla when it comes to articles on individual episodes of shows on Wikipedia.  While I personally can't fathom why we have separate articles on every episode of this series, we do.  Television episodes appears to be a relevant policy (and seems to favor season by season summaries), but a 2008 arbitration ( Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes_and_characters_2 ) states that "The body of precedent and convention regarding the matter under dispute (referencing: existence of articles regarding individual episodes and characters from television series) is unclear, with the major current guideline being applied inconsistently, and old historical precedent tending towards a contradictory viewpoint" -- apparently meaning that we have a slew of individual episode articles.  As every episode has its own article right now, I can't see why we'd delete just this one."  And ultimately, I see little harm in having them.--Milowent (talk) 03:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The plot summary is in need of major trimming, but that can be fixed through editing; deletion is unnecessary. In addition, I think a broader consensus on inclusion or exclusion of these articles would be needed to deal with articles like these; bringing them to AfD one by one is a bad idea. Per WP:TVEP, the relevant guideline, these are currently acceptable as parts of the encyclopedia. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 06:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:TVEP says that there should be a season article first. How would you improve this article?  There doesn't appear to be any secondary sources beyond plot summaries, why would you ever read this article instead of IMDB or one of the several other episode summary websites? BCoates (talk) 06:55, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as improvable. Trim as needed... and then discuss on talk pages the virtues or lack of combining into a series article... which would seem to be the better community-involved soultion than outright deletion.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 08:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List_of_How_I_Met_Your_Mother_episodes or delete. Fails WP:NOT and WP:OR until someone actually adds (reliably sourced) production and reception info, if they even exist. Otherwise, an appropriate amount of plot description nicely fits in the LoE or a (new) season article. – sgeureka t•c 11:20, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete. Insufficient coverage in reliable sources to sustain an article filled with nothing but plot details. Powers T 18:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge or Delete. It's hard to believe people are still using the 'there are some google results, so it's notable' argument. Anyway, merge or delete per LtPowers - lack of significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. Regarding Milowent's comments, I think it would be better to merge/delete all the individual episodes. PhilKnight (talk) 14:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.