Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The National Debutante Cotillion and Thanksgiving Ball


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. Per WP:SK, the nominator withdrew their nomination without dissenting opinions. (non-admin closure) Michaelzeng7 (talk) 01:29, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

The National Debutante Cotillion and Thanksgiving Ball

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Non-notable event. Unreferenced since 2008, and I was unable to find any significant coverage to establish notability. MelanieN (talk) 04:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. MelanieN (talk) 04:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. MelanieN (talk) 04:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment OK, now I'm confused. I did find what appears to be a significant media report about the event, written in 1960. The report makes the event sound notable, but it gives a different founding date and names a different founder from the information listed in the article. If we can resolve this discrepancy the article could be a keeper; otherwise I think we have to remove it as unverified. --MelanieN (talk) 16:10, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That source is about a different ball. There are plenty of sources here confirming that we have the correct founder. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A different ball, with the same name, in the same city, on the same day? Really? So how do people know which one this article is supposed to be about? In any case, the coverage I found about that "other" ball (founded in 1935 by Dr. Mary McLeod Bethune) was more detailed and significant than the coverage about the one in this article (founded in 1949 by Miss Mary-Stuart Montague Price) and IMO is more deserving of an article than the one we now have. --MelanieN (talk) 19:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, not the same name. That one is the International Debutante Cotillion. Where do you see any reference to the National Debutante Cotillion and Thanksgiving Ball in that article? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see! Sorry for misreading. Well, IMO the International Debutante Cotillion would be notable, if it had an article, but it doesn't and that's not what we're dealing with here. Most of the news items I found about the current subject were along the lines of "Miss so-and-so, daughter of so-and-so, will make her debut at the NDCTB" - in other words, not significant. But some of the items you found by adding Montague-Price to the search could bring the subject up to notability, particularly this one. Anyone want to add a few to the article? --MelanieN (talk) 19:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Not all sources have the leading "The": . Phil Bridger (talk) 17:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination The sources you have added to the article prove beyond a doubt that the topic is notable. Good work! --MelanieN (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.