Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Newcomers (film)


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The result was delete. Tone 10:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

The Newcomers (film)

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Non-notable film, despite having many now notable people in the cast, it has no significant coverage by independent sources, just glancing mentions of the film, per WP:NF BOVINEBOY 2008 20:46, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep I found a review online [], but not sure if the source is considered "reliable". It does meet the "independent" criteria of reviews.  Even if that doesn't count, I believe that this film meets the "Inclusionary criteria" of WP:NFO under the following criteria, which states, "The film features significant involvement (i.e., one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career."  This is the film debut of Chris Evans, a now well-known actor (Captain America).  To remove an acting debut of a successful person just because they weren't known at the time, or the film had only a limited release would mean that films such as Three Rooms in Manhattan (Robert De Niro), Las Vegas Nights (Frank Sinatra), Can I Do It... 'Til I Need Glasses? (Robin Williams), and Another Nice Mess (Steve Martin) would also need to be removed as they are all pretty much non-notable films, except for the fact that the individuals appeared in them and they went on to have huge careers.  Add in the fact that Evan's role in the film was much larger than any of the other actor's debut performances.   Donaldd23 (talk) 21:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That line on WP:NFO is followed up by "An article on the film should be created only if there is enough information on it that it would clutter up the biography page of that person if it was mentioned there." Currently, that appearance is currently summarized as "Evans made his screen debut in the family drama The Newcomers in 2000." Is there other information that is notable about this film that could be added, and then redirect to Evans article? Even if another sentence was added indicating that there were notable co-stars, I think this would be more sensible than having an article on a film that seems otherwise not notable. BOVINEBOY 2008 23:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Adding another line in Evan's bio mentioning the other notable actors in the film Kate Bosworth, Paul Dano, and Jeff Fahey seems like it would clutter up Evan's bio. And what of those actors?  If someone searches for the film and it's redirected to Evans, that doesn't make much sense as he isn't the only notable person in the cast...and Bosworth is the "star" of the film, not Evans.  As difficult as it is to find citations for this film online due to its extremely limited release, wanted it deleted seems more like a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT ("no need").  I usually agree with your AfD submissions, but in this case, it seems that this article can be improved rather than deleted.  I already found that one review...there's bound to be more. Donaldd23 (talk) 00:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Given your propensity for nominating/proposing far more notable non-American films for deletion I find your defence of this article surprising, to say the least. Please examine your own national/racial attitudes. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:16, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Real lack of logic with the films and performer comparisons. Shaking my head. There is a problem with lack of coverage. The solution to that is not how famous Chris Evans is. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 15:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete one minor online review is not enough to justify notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:43, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for notability. I looked for contemporary reviews and found none. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 15:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  D My Son  05:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)


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