Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Next One


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus, default keep.  Nish kid 64  19:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The Next One

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Contested PROD. Looks awfully like a minor piece of hockey fan trivia to me. Guy (Help!) 15:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not a valid disambiguation page as each successful hockey player may be labeled "The Next One". None of the players on the list have actually adopted it as their official nickname.  Michaelas10   (Talk)   15:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. --MaNeMeBasat 17:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: I agree with Michaelas's comment.  S .D.   ¿п?  § 18:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as dab page iff it can be sourced. Sources can be added to the individual player bios. Chuck otherwise. ~ trialsanderrors 19:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This page is pointless and adds no value.  The next Michael Jordan was deleted and had far more information than this page does. Bssc81 19:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletions.   -- SkierRMH 03:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a very common nickname in the hockey world, often applied to prodigies including Mario Lemieux, Eric Lindros, Sidney Crosby, Alexander Ovechkin, etc etc. Here are some sources:
 * http://www.insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/Features/kessel_0245.htm
 * http://www.reebok.com/useng/news/crosby.htm
 * http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCM/is_1_33/ai_n6355250
 * http://proicehockey.about.com/b/a/227434.htm
 * For those unfamiliar with hockey, Wayne Gretzky was dubbed "The Great One", which prompted many to speculate about who would be "The Next One". This is what makes the article more legit than "The Next Michael Jordan". Just to solidify the connection between Gretzky's nickname and "The Next One", here are two sources which mention the link:
 * http://www.cbc.ca/maritimemagazine/archives/040118_thenextOne.html
 * http://www.usaweekend.com/06_issues/060115/060115gretzky.html --Wafulz 03:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * So you think you can turn those links into an article? Has anyone written about the "The Next One" phenomenon, rather than just apply it to the one or other player? ~ trialsanderrors 08:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It could at the very least be a short disambig page- The Next One is certainly a nickname that has been applied to several players. It is sourcable, verifiable, and not as minor a piece of fan trivia as people would think. I don't know how easy it would be to find sources on the history of the term (which would flesh it out in terms of an article), but like I've mentioned, it is a nickname that has been applied to several players already and would be a fairly useful disambig page at the very least. --Wafulz 17:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That would mirror my opinion above. ~ trialsanderrors 18:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached  Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, W.marsh 15:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Inkpaduta 21:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think this nickname is sufficiently widespread or widely enough accepted. Would fail verifiability tests. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 22:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * How on Earth would this fail verifiability tests? I've already provided six completely unique, independent, major, national sources (for both the USA and Canada). In fact, here are several more unique sources that use "The Next One" in the exact context required:
 * http://www.cbc.ca/sports/columns/top10/draft_picks.html#9
 * http://www.thehockeynews.com/en/columnist/detail.asp?columnist=82
 * http://www.ihwc.net/english/article/expert/
 * http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=8889&hubname=
 * http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0127crosby0127.html
 * http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=10953
 * http://www.hockeyology.com/50/article.php3?ArticleID=2031
 * http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=nhlpkglindros&prov=st&type=lgns
 * http://proicehockey.about.com/cs/nhlnotebook/a/lindros_heatley.htm
 * I'm sorry for the overkill, but I feel like nobody's even bothering to read the sources I'm posting here. These are national/international major sources from sports journalists, regular journalists, NHL affiliates, etc. It's a common nickname attributed to several players, so it should at least have a dab page. --Wafulz 23:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Wafulz, though I disagree with simply leaving this as a dab page. The obsession with finding a "Next One" has a lot of history in hockey, and I believe a decent article can be written about it, especially given the numerous sources listed here.  It is a reasonably significant piece of hockey lore. Resolute 07:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I could see this becoming a large and very informative article... I am suprised it is not already. For the past 15-20 years, this has been a huge issue in professional hockey.... Gretzky (The Great One), Lemieux (The Magnificent One), Nolan, Sundin, Daigle, Falloon, Lindros, Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby... every draft, every year... the list goes on...  DMighton 07:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, the page doesn't even have Alexander Daigle listed. ;) --Krm500 10:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This page could become a really informative page. --Djsasso 19:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. As said above, nobody has ever really used it as a nickname, it's been at best a temporary designation (unlike The Great One, Le Magnifique, etc). Otherwise, this article would have to include every sourcable instance of a hockey writer throwing "The Next One" out there. Zipster 20:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, strongly. This article is a useful observation of a social phenomenon. The very fact that this nickname exists gives insight into Gretsky's importance; and the passing of the nickname on to people of differing skills, whose careers have played out in different ways, is not only a story in and of itself, but adds to the Gretsky mystique. Hockey aficionados know the term, know the meaning, and have read or heard it numerous times (others above have provided more than sufficient references for this).

Additionally, I personally believe a resource such as Wikipedia should philosophically be inclined to err on the side of inclusion in situations like this. Links exist leading to it, contributors have listed supporting references, and while to some it may seem trivial, others obviously find it useful. To delete this article, despite demonstrated references and accuracy, would be an arbitrary standard that flies in the face of Wikipedia's policy to respect other contributors.

Removing the "suggested for deletion" notice would probably encourage more people to expand it, who otherwise might be nervous that their efforts would be wasted.--alexfiles 18:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I believe the nickname "The Next One" in hockey culture is significant enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia. ColtsScore 09:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.