Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Nouvelles (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 22:13, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

The Nouvelles
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Created and maintained by undisclosed paid editor, see Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1056 for details. Have received some brief coverage in regional newspapers, but nothing that would indicate WP:BAND is met. FDW777 (talk) 13:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC) (categories)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  13:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  13:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete no indication of notability. An article from the Garstang Courier (a very small local paper) has been mis-labelled as though it's from the Yorkshire Evening Post, a much larger regional newspaper. None of the other sources are remotely notable. The BBC link simply shows that one of the band's songs was once played on a local music show on Radio Lancashire Cavie78 (talk) 14:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a small correction. The article does appear to have been published in the Yorkshire Evening Post (as well as potentially other regional papers published by the same organisation), the archived version of the Yorkshire Evening Post redirects to the Garstang Courier version of the story. FDW777 (talk) 14:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * They're both Johnston Press newspapers which all use the same CMS - I highly doubt the article was ever published by the YEP Cavie78 (talk) 16:40, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well the 24 August 2015 version of the article did include a direct link to the claimed YEP version of the article, and while I've been very suspicious about the claims made by a certain COI editor on the article's talk page I think it's reasonable to assume it was correct at the time, especially as the same article appeared in the sister paper the Lancashire Evening Post. Not that it really matters much either way. FDW777 (talk) 17:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Another in a long line of articles which belong on specialist Fandom sites, not here.  RobinCarmody (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Do not delete

It is good to see Cavie78's guessing statement, that "they probably werent in the Yorkshire Evening Post" sic, is being countered by other editors who are no fans of the band's page - the band WERE actually cover page in the Yorkshire Evening News and it is good to see Cavie78 being corrected by FDW777 who started this whole fiasco - again. The band were as FDW777 now admits were widely covered in the Yorkshire AND Lancashire Evening Posts. Cavie78's post is duly proven spurious. Editors statements like Cavie78's is why wikipedia is getting so much abuse, "probably" a guess, duly proven wrong by someone meant to be agreeing with them!

Moving on, indie bands are exactly that, some want to stay off television and the press team is paid to ensure that. This does not mean that esp. with covid, a band should be deleted from wiki which would be an error of law, it is discrimination when the band has had national festivals and all the said worldwide releases and so on, all provided in this talk, most of which is agreed to even by opposing editors. Indie band activity during covid is near on impossible but this band have finished their vinyl album and passed it to a1m records, and MDW777 removed news of this, when their press tried to update the page. Editors for the group duly used covid time waiting to market the album, going onto help wikipedi to tidy up the page for the good of wikipedia and delete dead links. The band was then attacked for no reason. Legally the campaign against this band is one of harassment, discrimination, and abuse and hopefully the case for deletion is now closed by the evidence herein and about-to edits of the page to double lock that.

EVIDENCE:

1. UK national Sunday Newspaper coverage of the band's 1st single alongside names like Pete Tong and The Subways, who a court case would argue as having wiki presence, the discrimination against The Nouvelles is not only spurious but blatant:

Evidence https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/music/music-reviews/singles--albums-980512

The Daily Record is even bigger than the Yorkshire Evening Post or other Guardian Group regional newspapers, which are massive publications in their own right, simply regionally broken up.

2. The band 10 years later play the UKS leading indie band festival -

Evidence : https://www.kendalcalling.co.uk/artists/the-nouvelles

3. Here is Stone Roses book author and journalist John Robb on the group performing in late 2016, writing in the massive worldwide indie fanzine Flick of the Finger about a gig they sold out in what many say is the worlds number 1 indie venue:

"The Nouvelles are up first. And what a start to the evening. These guys are well rehearsed and as tight as a well fitted glove. The first thing I notice are the great bass lines that hit my ears from rhythm maestro Rob Regan, who works well with  drummer Steve Atkinson. Guitar is provided by the very talented Tom Kinton, whilst the unmistakable vocals are provided by Johnny Jacko Jackson. They have strong tunes and give a great performance. Check out “Here She Comes”. It’s a great atmospheric tune and a sign of great things to follow."

Source : Leading world wide indie music fanzine/website : https://www.flickofthefinger.co.uk/reviews/2016/__trashed-9/ Venue : Leading world indie venue "Band on the Wall"

The sic 'great things/ put on hold by covid do not mean they have not nor will not happen. The album should be allowed to be discussed and put on the page without being edited, the vinyl is ready and simply no shops are open to sell it or spend money on marketing it.

4. BBC have provided the press team with proof of multiple BBC plays but it is members only to view, but a screenshot of many plays in one show alone can be provided privately but not posted on here due to DPA. However, here is a secondary source proving the said:

https://lovebelfast.co.uk/the-nouvelles-northern-irelands-song/

5. This also shows proof of a members role in the NI peace process which the Manchester Evening News also write about, which is a unique element of interest to any serious music journalist, as proven in 2013 by leading GMG journalist and now Editor at New Sounds David Sue:

Evidence : Front Page Supplement Manchester Evening News https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music/nouvelles-out-to-make-a-point-951498

Finally due to the loyalist political allegiances of this, one must now refer to wiki guidelines on any post relating to the NI peace process. Members have provided work for loyalism, and the process, and some of the editors who are trying to close the page have also shown (opposing) interests in the Northern Ireland Peace Process. In law this is central, in journalism key.

As for the page being deleted - any reasonable person will herein on reading this, reply to the toothless and contradictory "delete" argument (if with resepect it could be called that) by Cavie78 below, see that as spurious, let alone and err of law as follows: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.135.135 (talk) 18:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I never said anything about actually cover page in the Yorkshire Evening News, that and your claimed Front Page Supplement Manchester Evening News is just you making up inflated claims again. Anyone remotely familiar with any of the regional papers you're talking about knows for a fact that articles on pub bands like The Nouvelles are tucked away in the entertainment section on somewhere like page 23, not on the front page of the paper or of mythical supplements. FDW777 (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In reply to your lengthy post, IP - I know Wikipedia can seem frustrating to new users, but notability guidelines are there for a reason. Take a step back and think about what you're doing and how it reflects on the band. You are threatening to sue... Wikipedia itself? Some volunteer editors? because... it's the legal right of every band in the world to have a Wikipedia article? Note that neither Sonny J nor The Haze from your 2008 Daily Record link have pages on Wikipedia. A huge number of bands throughout the world receive reviews in local newspapers and have plays on local radio, but surely you would recognise that Wikipedia should not/cannot have pages for every one of those? At some point The Nouvelles may deserve an article, but right now they don't. Wikipedia does not exist as a promotional tool for bands, indeed editing of the kind you freely admit to is considered a conflict of interest. If you want to support the band consider setting up a website (which they don't appear to have), send singles off to radio stations - there are plenty of things you can do Cavie78 (talk) 11:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as a matter of principle. I always vote to delete when threatened with a lawsuit. Bearian (talk) 21:38, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Bearian. Mccapra (talk) 05:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.