Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The One After Joey and Rachel Kiss


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was redirected to List of Friends episodes in lieu of a delete. ➔ REDVEЯS would like to show you some puppies 22:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The One After Joey and Rachel Kiss

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Per Ryan Postlethwaite's "suggestion" I am putting this Friends-related article forward as a test case for deletion. I am not a member of the cabal that has been redirecting articles en masse for the last several months and telling people to go away and make their own wikia (I began redirecting these articles only tonight) -- rather I have taken the time to scrounge up sources for other Friends episode articles that do show a basic level of notability. Anyway, the subject of this article has no significant coverage in third-party sources and is merely a plot summary and an airdate -- something already covered in List of Friends episodes. Brad 22:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. Only rarely do we need an entire article on a single episode of a half-hour t.v. show.  We don't need it here.  --Yamla 22:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete One of the downsides of Wikipedia is the individual articles about episodes of TV shows that cropped up when Wikipedia was taking anything that it could get. They seldom get nominated, yet they're usually the worst offenders when it comes to "original research", they're not really notable, there's nothing encyclopedic about them.  A lot of promising articles get deleted, while crap like this goes on and on.  Start nominating. Mandsford 23:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a pretty dramatic change of wiki policy, I know of no discussion on this topic and it seems against current policy at least in terms of customary usage. If you could point me to anything that is a precedent for this I would be most interested.Moheroy 07:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a discussion going on here and a guideline here. As I've just said on the Talk:Friends page, it's not about removing every episode article. Brad 08:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Then this is a "test case" for what? I can easily see your point about individual episode articles in themselves, but if some episodes are notable, how are others not?  I have no problem with a discussion of removing episode articles, I just have to question why this one alone?  This sort of article is so prevalent, and has existed for such a long time, that I think what is being suggested here is a new policy.  The notability guideline you site is not a discussion of this, it is instead the basic general guideline.Moheroy 08:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. The notability guideline very definitely does apply to this, as it does to all other articles. Specific guidelines on individual topic areas are simply indicators of how the general guideline is interpreted. Episodes which are notable as episodes under the guideline can have articles, ones which are not notable should not. It's pretty simple really.  Phil Bridger 09:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete: An article on a TV episode, what will we have next? delete it please -- ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 08:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Wikipedia has an awful lot of these articles, just look at the Simpsons and South Park. These have been here for a very long time.Moheroy 08:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument against deletion. Phil Bridger 09:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. No claim to notability under WP:EPISODE, WP:N. Phil Bridger 09:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Otherstuffexists can be a perfectly valid argument when a type of article is widely used and accepted, and an attempt is made to pick out a particular one of the many, for no individual reason. What is claimed to be particularly unnotable about this one? WP:EPISODE says "Create pages for outstanding episodes." I can not see how that can be a practical criterion--who is going to decide that? But its not a subject i think I can reasonably get too much involved in. However,  this AfD is expectedly not about the article, the nomination gives this as a test case. But the discussion page at WP:EPISODE and the new discussion at  gives no indication that there is any actual consensus. Close this discussion and send them back to the policy page. Better, considering the wide interest in the general subject,and the disagreements on that page,  it probably needs a community discussion. DGG (talk) 19:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There's been plenty of community discussion involved in creating the notability guideline. Why should there be more discussion about whether TV series episodes should be exempt from this? This is a general guideline that applies to all articles. Phil Bridger 20:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify: I mean a test case for Friends episode articles. I couldn't care less about other articles. Brad 23:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I don't know whey people are surprised that we have articles about things that have been watched and bought by millions worldwide. Yeah, FICT; N, blah blah blah. There is potential for RSs if you look. The JPS talk to me  14:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep with no prejudice to a merge; I think the article is poor, but WP:EPISODE specifically requests that editors do not place episodes for AfD, but instead to propose a merge discussion. Will (talk) 00:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There is nothing to merge; the plot summary and airdate are already present in List of Friends episodes. Brad (talk) 16:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.