Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Optical Theatre Horror Film Festival


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While I commend Pizzole's effort to try to find further sourcing for the article, the rough consensus is that there isn't enough substantial coverage in independent sources to justify the inclusion of this film festival on Wikipedia. Deryck C. 21:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

The Optical Theatre Horror Film Festival

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Weakly sourced film festival which has only been held once so far, in 2014. Article fails WP:EVENTCRITERIA with no in-depth, independent secondary coverage: sources provided are one apparently anonymous news agency article, and one "paid submissions now open for 2016" announcement written by one of the festival's jurors. I'm not seeing any significant coverage of the 2014 event. McGeddon (talk) 10:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * [Adnkronos] is a very trusted source. Bloody Disgusting too. What do you need more? --Pizzole (talk) 10:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The right article title is "Submissions Open For ‘The Optical Theatre Film Festival’" and not "paid submissions now open for 2016". --Pizzole (talk) 11:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The Bloody Disgusting article is written by somebody closely connected with the event ("Full disclosure: I am one of the jurors for the festival."), so cannot be used to establish notability. The article needs at least two in-depth, independent secondary sources to meet WP:EVENTCRITERIA/WP:GNG. --McGeddon (talk) 10:54, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * From one of the most important festival in Europe: --Pizzole (talk) 15:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * From a registered newspaper: --Pizzole (talk) 15:38, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Note that the deletion discussion for Pizzole's previous article about an Antony Coia project had Pizzole pulling a lot of blog-looking sources out of the air which were being freshly written while the AfD was underway, including a taxidrivers.it blog entry written by Manuele Berardi earlier the same day, as has just happened here. --McGeddon (talk) 16:05, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that in the article there is a source to an old article wrote by Cinecittà/Istituto Luce, the hub of italian cinema and (so as written on Wikipedia) it is considered as the oldest public institution devoted to production and distribution of cinematographic materials for didactic and informative purposes in the world. It's property of Ministero dell'Economia e delle Finanze - Ministero dei Beni e delle Attività Culturali e del Turismo. It's enough? --Pizzole (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  sst  ✈  12:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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Note Added 4 sources from 2014 articles. The first is from Istituto Luce/Cinecittà, the official site of Cinecittà, the hub of italian cinema and (so as written on Wikipedia) it is considered as the oldest public institution devoted to production and distribution of cinematographic materials for didactic and informative purposes in the world (Ministero dell'Economia e delle Finanze - Ministero dei Beni e delle Attività Culturali e del Turismo. --Pizzole (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The Cinecittà source is not WP:INDEPTH, it's just listing the films that appeared at the festival and offers no detail or critical analysis beyond that. The same goes for the other sources. --McGeddon (talk) 11:27, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:09, 27 January 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. not yet notable. Having a listing in a article in a notable industry source is not csubstnatial coverage. It's a mere notice.  DGG ( talk ) 06:58, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for now at best, perhaps not much for a convincing article yet. SwisterTwister   talk  07:07, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as the event has his importance and not only for Italy. There are lot of pics of the event, even with important guest as Roberta Gemma or Sabrina Ferilli. The Istituto Luce is not the only source. I've added more.--Pizzole (talk) 10:39, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 20:33, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.