Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Order (AW)


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The result was   speedy delete (G5) as a page created by banned user Pickbothmanlol in violation of ban. His userfied page and incubator page have also been deleted. –MuZemike 04:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

The Order (AW)

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Highly dubious article about a group for which notability is not established and sourced almost exclusively to blogs. Speedy declined on the basis of a single academic paper, but it uses the same blogs in its references - and anyway talks of King Punisher and his followers (referred to as his order) - "The Order" of the title seems to be a misnomer at best. I42 (talk) 22:44, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. On the one hand, I'd like to see it incubated rather than deleted—the AfD process will at least give a week for future discovery. However, the lack of further sources means that while the current version of the article gets over the hurdle of asserting notability, it doesn't demonstrate it.—C.Fred (talk) 22:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to see it incubated as well. It might not be notable to your eyes, but anyone that used AW between 1995 and 1999 will beg to differ. It brought the concept of vandalizing user created content to AW and is no doubt an early example to a cyberterrorist group on the internet. Sammy the Seeker (talk) 22:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete per the facts that user is a sockpuppet based on previous edits, the user has violated 3RR multiple times, and this article is a recreation of previously deleted material through speedy deletion. Oh, and it's not notable. Other Activeworlds organizations (SW City, Alpha World) have also tried to gain notability on Wikipedia and have failed because they are exclusive to one community. Why should this article be treated any different? -- GSK (talk ● evidence) 23:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that this SPI case is recommended to be closed due to the comments of the original blocking administrator, three book sources noting The Order exist. Sammy the Seeker (talk) 23:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yet another book source has been added. Sammy the Seeker (talk) 23:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You seem to be pulling these supposed sources out of thin air. Maybe you should enlighten us as to how you seem to find all of these? -- GSK (talk ● evidence) 23:24, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Google Books and citing the pages of which it is mentioned. Sammy the Seeker (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC) I moved it into the Incubator. Sammy the Seeker (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete I see assertions, and I see offline references, but there is nothing in the article as it currently stands that connects the two or convinces me that this is notable. Jclemens (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - simply not notable and with the possible exception of the Internet Journal of Criminology article, the sources were not reliable ones. The links under further reading seems mostly unconnected to the article containing possibly mentions at most. I agree with GSK that this is likely a sock of a blocked user seeking further disruption. Yworo (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.