Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Orthodox Free Reformed Church (OFRC)

The Orthodox Free Reformed Church (OFRC) was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was to delete the article.

A church of dubious existence. Returns no Google hits but mirrors of Wikipedia content. Rdsmith4&mdash; Dan | Talk 02:02, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm unpersuaded of the church's existence. Non-notable even if it does exist. Mackensen (talk) 02:06, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * DO NOT DELETE. This is a real Church. Leave the article alone please. Google Search is no use because the OFRC has no need of a webpage as such. If you do not want the truth in this organ then be up-front about it. (My house has no webpage, but it is real!). The above are "Non-notable" even if they exist! The WWW is a vitual world not the real world. Who are you to Judge our Church. This why we started up in the first place! Some Members remember fighting another bunch of Nazi types in WWII/WW2, long before the WWW. User:Egeist
 * Please supply some information we can use to verify this information, such as the address and telephone number and name of a contact person at this church's main office. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 18:14, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'm extremely concerned that the above user is trolling as indicated by his user and talk pages.  OTOH, instead of posting this here, why not move it over to Wikinerds?  It's totally open to anything.  Seriously, if you're trying to get the word out, an encyclopedia is a lousy advertising vehicle.  I work in an advertising-related position so I know where I'm coming from.  Delete here and repost at the much smaller Wikinerds.  Believe me, you'll thank me later. - Lucky 6.9 02:29, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable if not not fictional if not trolling. Wyllium 02:40, 2004 Nov 10 (UTC)


 * Comment: Back at you. Just How "big" do we need to be? Jesus only had "The 12" at the start of his Ministry. I'm extremely concerned that you lot are a bunch of "Wikinerds" with far to much power. I think that an encyclopedia sould stive to be encyclopedic. The other set of Nazis tried "Book" burning, as I remember. Do you "Police" other "Faith" articles in this way? OFRC Article
 * I also know twelve people, yet I'm not devoting and article to them. Please remember that we do not vote for deletion because we want to be nasty, but because we honestly believe the article would be out of place on Wikipedia. Wyllium 02:53, 2004 Nov 10 (UTC)


 * To OFRC: Let's keep the personal attacks to a minimum, shall we?  My comment was intended to be helpful.  My concern about trolling stems from this, the total content of your user page:  This is the User page of The OFRC members that watch the page of the Church's article.  IMO, that's trolling despite what I'm certain are your good intentions. - Lucky 6.9 19:46, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Comment: Question for OFRC Article: Is there any non-Wikipedia evidence besides your word that this exists? If so, I'd like to see it. --Goobergunch 03:15, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Final Comment: The Name Orthodox Free Reformed Church (OFRC), the Logo and said article are claimed back as (C)2003-2004 Orthodox Free Reformed Church (OFRC). Delete ALL references NOW. user:OFRC Article

Delete Delete Delete.
 * Speedy deleted per author's request ("claimed back as copyright"). Geogre 05:03, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * For some reason I'm still seeing the article. Regardless, delete non-notable group. Fire Star 06:16, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I restored the article until the Vfd process is complete. It should not have been speedy deleted and the copyright claims are difficult as it was released under GFDL and has at least two significant authors. While I have little doubt such a group does exist, an article needs to be verifiable. As the authors seem unwilling to provide evidence, I suppose we will have to delete this article at present. Rmhermen 17:47, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Well, if you wish.  I vote delete for several reasons.  First, it may be encumbered.  Second, the group is unverifiable, which does not mean that they do not exist, but rather that we can't be sure, which is enough to keep it out.  Third, because it has several prank markers in it and about it, starting with the title (you are never reformed and orthodox simultaneously; I know there are illiterates naming churches, but there are also pranksters making fun of churches).  Finally...well, that's enough of a rationale.  Geogre 19:54, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Actually Orthodox and Reformed can be used together - using Orthodox not in the sense of the Eastern Church but as in "orthodox", genuine, traditional. In the U.S. we have the Orthodox Presbyterian and Orthodox Christian Reformed Churches and there are the Orthodox Reformed Church in Canada. Rmhermen 22:24, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a paradox... [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:36, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete unless verifiable information is presented, such as the street address, telephone number, and appropriate contact person at the church's main office. Verifiable news items mentioning the church would be useful, too. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 18:14, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. The author also seems to have brought Godwin's law to Wikipedia. Lucky us. --Improv 19:01, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm bemused. First we have to keep it 'cause we're Nazis, then we have to delete it because it's copyrighted? Delete, and if someone can tell me where we get issued the spiffy uniforms for this, let me know... (I'm doubtful about their existence, if only because I'm frankly baffled no-one would mention them anywhere. But obscure churches with "Free" in the title are not uncommon 'round here) Shimgray 19:25, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment Delete:Re the above:"Actually Orthodox and Reformed can be used together - using Orthodox not in the sense of the Eastern Church but as in "orthodox", genuine, traditional. In the U.S. we have the Orthodox Presbyterian and Orthodox Christian Reformed Churches and there are the Orthodox Reformed Church in Canada." This is how the Church in question WAS NAMED, in order NOT to use another Church's name. It has five Congregations, with two ready to join - with over fifty (50) members in each - (50 adults is the yard-stick for a Congregation), which is quite large as from the 1st formed Congregation - two years ago. As a "Church", it is affiliated to no other body, and sees no need to be so affiliated - its getting on quite well on its own thanks. Same goes for a WWW footprint. The article was put in as an act of "good faith" with the project, for the general interest - not to "promote" the Church. As I said, the Church is growing quite well thanks. Unfortunatly putting in quite inocent links within the project has atracted some very small minded members of "rivals in Christ". So be it. The Church was trying to be open - we are not a secrect society. However the experiment is deamed to be a failed, so as an open apeal to the more expert in this matter, please ensure that all parts of the article, its links, any logos, links to logos, etc., regarding the Church are DELTED quickly. The name and logo of the Church ARE COPYRIGHTED back to 2003. The copyright was waved in good faith to the Wikipedia. This waver is now cancelled completely.Is that clear? (Dr D Hughes, Secretary of The OFRC General Assembly)User: Egeist.Egeist 21:47, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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 * The image page for the logo in question acknowledges the copyright but claims fair use. -Fennec (&#12399;&#12373;&#12400;&#12367;&#12398;&#12365;&#12388;&#12397;) 16:44, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * CommentAn emergency session of the General Assembly voted today, and unanimously disbanded the Church under the name given on the WIKIPEDIA site – and its mirrors. A new General assembly then met and adopted the name of the Church suggested from the floor. An identifying “Logo” of the General assembly is to be voted on, with versions modified to identify each associated Congregation. Egeist 22:03, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. -Fennec (&#12399;&#12373;&#12400;&#12367;&#12398;&#12365;&#12388;&#12397;) 16:44, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * why has the article gone even before the vote was closed?? dab 15:18, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete unless verified. --L33tminion | (talk) 21:40, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking at the article, I'll change that to just delete, nonsense. --L33tminion | (talk) 21:42, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)


 * Am I reading the current article correctly? Wikipedia has deleted a church. Not an article about a church, but the actual church itself! Or caused its deletion, anyway. Anyone remember the Stephen King story called "Word processor of the gods?" The narrator discovers that whatever he deletes on his word processor gets deleted in the real world, too.... Maybe we should list War on VfD. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 21:53, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verifiable and factually accurate -- [[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 23:55, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * How can its existence be verified without an address or telephone number? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:33, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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