Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Outhouse (comedy group)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Looks like the discussion has run out of steam. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  23:04, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

The Outhouse (comedy group)

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Promotional page for a youtube channel. No apparent claim to notability and the cited sources do not provide any reliable secondary source coverage of this group. FalconK (talk) 04:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment: The page The Outhouse (comedy group) is not a promotion for a YouTube channel. The YouTube channel is simply where the group originated and the history was told as such. I believe that because the group has been featured several times on CBC Television's one hour long, daily, evening, program; it meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. User:LilJohnnyWimple (talk) 07:33, 19 January 2021 (NST)


 * I have since updated the page. The Outhouse has won a MusicNL award along with Rum Ragged for Music Video of the Year for the video "Ladies Man". The video was directed by member Michael Lynch and featured Justin Hawco and Michael Lynch as actors. This has been verified by Music NL on their website. The Music NL awards are the most prestigious awards in the province of Newfoundland and Labrador. User:LilJohnnyWimple (talk) 08:21, 19 January 2021 (NST)
 * Every award that exists is not an automatic free pass over our notability standards. We don't care about any award that you have to reference to the award's own self-published website about itself — in order to be an award that makes its winners notable for winning it, it has to be an award that gets broad journalistic coverage in the media, such as a Juno or a Canadian Screen Award. Bearcat (talk) 15:02, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obviously without prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can do better (also, I'd be fine with sandboxing it in draft or userspace if the creator ::wants more time to work on it.) Nothing stated in the article is "inherently" notable enough to exempt them from having to be referenced much better than this — notability is not a question of what the article says they did, it's a question of how well the article is or isn't referenced to reliable source media coverage about the things they did, and there isn't remotely close to enough real media coverage being shown. Bearcat (talk) 15:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * How much media coverage is required? The group has been covered in several more articles by CBC. Or is it meant that a cult provincial following and a provincial news coverage is not enough? Is a national following and national coverage required? User:LilJohnnyWimple (talk) 17:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The article only features one source from the CBC, and it isn't a journalist-written news article about them, but promo text wrapped around a YouTube video of them performing. That's not what we're talking about. Bearcat (talk) 19:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep This page should not be deleted because this group has:
 * Been featured several times on CBC Television's "Here and Now" evening news, performing skits.
 * Has won multiple awards including a provincial music award for best music video of the year in 2019.
 * Launched multiple provincial and nation wide comedy tours including, Taste of Home Comedy Tour, The Best Kind Comedy Tour, and the Getting to Know Me Comedy Tours. On those comedy tours the group sold out dozens of shows and set a record at the Holy Heart Theatre for fastest sold out show.
 * Been the subject of several news articles by VOCM, The Overcast, The Telegram, and CBC; all credible news sources.
 * Gathered a significant social media following.
 * User:LilJohnnyWimple (talk) 22:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Being featured in the media as performers of skits is not a notability claim. We're looking for journalist-written third party news articles about them, not just video clips of them doing what they do.
 * As I already explained to you above, we do not' extend an automatic notability freebie to just every winner of just every award that exists. We care only about top-level national awards like the Juno Awards or the Canadian Screen Awards that get media coverage — if an award gets so little media coverage that you have to source their winning of the award to the award's own self-published website about itself in lieu of a journalist-written news article about their winning of the award, then it is not a notability-making award.
 * The existence of provincial and nationwide comedy tours is not an automatic notability freebie that exempts them from having to clear WP:GNG on their sourceability.
 * I've already explained the problem with the CBC article in point #1 above. The VOCM cite has the same problem: it is not a substantive news article about them, but just a publicity link to a video by them. And as for the Telegram, that is also not an article about The Outhouse, it's an article about one member of the group which happens to glancingly mention The Outhouse. That's not the same thing.
 * Having a "social media following" is no part of our notability criteria for any human career. It doesn't matter how many followers a person or group does or doesn't have on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube or any other social networking platform — the notability test hinges on how much reliable source coverage they do or don't have in real media, and you have not shown enough of that to get them over the bar.
 * We're not looking for just any web page you can find that offers verification that they exist; we're looking for sources that demonstrate the significance of their work by independently analyzing it. And you haven't shown any sources which do that, at all. Bearcat (talk) 19:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per the rationale presented above. Some Dude From North Carolina wanna talk? 23:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand all that you have stated above and that the group does not get notability a "freebie" for certain parameters. I could easily, without disagreement, accept that the group is not notable and secede to deletion if only one source was cited or only one attempt in mentioning something remotely notable was made. However, what I do not understand is how all of the points that have been presented do not count for something.


 * Say for example what I mean is, if a musician wins a Juno, thats one point of notability. If a musician has an album certified platinum, thats another point of notability. So how does all of the points presented above not count for at the very least, one point of notability? I know obviously that notability is not measured in points, it was just an example. User:LilJohnnyWimple (talk) 22:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You're correct that notability isn't measured in "points". Either a person has accomplished something that objectively passes the notability criteria on its face or they haven't — and if they haven't, you can't take multiple below-the-bar statements and add them up into a "notability point". Bearcat (talk) 17:16, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep: Article needs some clean-up. Other than that, per LilJohnnyWimple, it seems good enough to pass WP:GNG. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 16:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Considering that the article is referenced mainly to primary sources, and even the few media hits aren't coverage about the group accomplishing anything but simply video clips of the group performing, what sources are actually getting it over WP:GNG? Bearcat (talk) 17:16, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - no significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) - notability not established - WP:SPIP - Epinoia (talk) 23:05, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.