Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Poetry of Menotti Lerro


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The result was delete. Guy (Help!) 15:01, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

The Poetry of Menotti Lerro

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The Title lacks any significant coverage in reliable sources, fails WP:NBOOK and WP:GNG. The references given are a trove of trivial mentions and unreliable sources. Winner 42 Talk to me!  13:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I think this book is a notable book. There are very notable critics inside giving their point of view. Serpieri is one of the most important Emeritus English Professor in Italy (the one who has translated Shakespeare's Sonnetts and plays) and Barberi Squarotti is an important italianist. But it is true that on the web there are not so many references. Poetry world is such a wired world... Anyway, as you like it. Prettycatss (talk) 13:30, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Soon deleted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goruinus (talk • contribs) 14:09, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to either Menotti_Lerro. While notable people are involved with this work, that notability is WP:NOTINHERITED by that association. This can make it more likely that there will be sources, but this is never a guarantee. Sometimes books can fly solidly under the radar despite having a host of notable persons involved. This is especially true with anything released via an academic publisher, since those tend to be almost always ignored by everyone except for journal articles and scholarly websites. The end result is that we cannot base notability on whether or not the people involved are notable- we have to be able to show how this book is independently notable and I cannot find anything that would back this up. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I understand. And I agree! However, trying to underline the good point of it, maybe I could say tha the book has been quoted in Il Sole 24 ore (and it is a good result considering it was published in UK). Moreover it is adopted by many important libraries. :) :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prettycatss (talk • contribs) 09:39, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to sign... Prettycatss (talk) 09:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion this is an interesting book by a good critic http://www.reading.ac.uk/english-literature/aboutus/Staff/StaffPublications/ell-andrew-mangham-publications.aspx and it is not a shame if this book is quoted on wikipedia... Indeed, there are so many things we should delete from here instead of interesting books of poetry... Rainermaria27 (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. North America1000 17:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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I think the problem is just that the publisher (and the authors) didn't promote the book as it should be for this volume. Sometimes we find around books without any critical importance with a lot of reviews, and viceversa. However, I say that the book was quoted in Il Sole 24 Ore and it should be much more important that to have 10 reviews from unknown critics or worst from critics who talk (and it in Italy happen very often) about their close friends... Moreover, we have to consider it is a book published in UK about an italian young author. So it is more difficult to be reviewed by critics (they like reviewing only Shakespeare and Dante to be sure they are right ;-) )... Prettycatss (talk) 19:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. The topic is missing reliable sources, and is in essence one of over a dozen of promotional articles created by SPA representing Menotti Lerro, and author whose notability itself is not clear. I just AfD several of his "books"; this is the icing on the cake. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Let's delete him and his "books" soon!Devbasdev (talk) 09:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've actually started cleaning up the main article for Lerro since there is so much WP:PUFFERY throughout the piece. I was hoping to use Mangham's book as a good, solid RS but Lerro has attended UoR and has other affiliations with them. This makes Mangham's book WP:PRIMARY because Lerro has a strong tie to UoR and because Mangham works for UoR. Other than that I'm finding that most of the sources (so far) are either primary or unusable. In one specific instance there's a book that was written about him... but was issued by a self-publishing company that has also published Lerro's work. I haven't done an extremely thorough look for sources yet since I'm trying to clean out the puffery, but a look didn't really bring up much to show that he'd pass WP:NAUTHOR or WP:NPROF. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:58, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * After a massive amount of cleaning I've removed the puffery. I think that he passes notability guidelines for the most part, although the coverage is far lighter than I'd like. He's getting a little coverage for his poetry getting set to music (see here), which helps quite a bit. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:07, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:57, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The book does not meet WP:NBOOK, and is already listed on the author's page. The editors who are adding material about Lerro do not seem well-versed in WP standards, and should take some time to become more familiar before continuing to edit. Also, this author appears to be the only topic they have edited -- it would be good to branch out and learn before continuing. LaMona (talk) 13:48, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: The Lerro fan's industry is a thing of wonder, but the book doesn't pass notability. We have sufficient numbers of Wikipedians who speak Italian that it seems as though it shouldn't be too challenging to check the Italian press, but the poet appears to have small coverage there, and the English language material is thin and perhaps self-referential. Hithladaeus (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


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