Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Princess and the Pony


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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. Please keep discussion civil. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  08:23, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

The Princess and the Pony

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Subject does not receive significant coverage for stand-alone page. First reference is an interview in which the author speaks about the book, creating conflict-of-interest. Second, briefly mentions a minor award before going into detail about other books she's published. Another source speaks about another book she wrote. The final ref does review the book, but one review hardly passes gng. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You must stop chasing my edits and I didn't provide all reference, which are available online. Marvellous Spider -Man  16:42, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment


 * The book was written by a notable author Kate Beaton


 * CBC.ca writes Kate Beaton wins Children's Choice Book Award for The Princess and the Pony


 * The Guardian review The Princess and the Pony by Kate Beaton review – strength is a farting horse


 * Boing Boing published this article The Princess and the Pony, from Kate "Hark a Vagrant" Beaton


 * Newsarama reviewed the book as KATE BEATON Delivers a Fractured Fairy Tale with THE PRINCESS AND THE PONY


 * The Globe and Mail reviewed the book along with three other books, Review: A trio of new picture books by Kate Beaton, Daniel Miyares, and Maureen Fergus


 * National Post lists this book among the top 50 books of the year


 * Dan_Abrams - Giveaway: Kate Beaton’s The Princess and the Pony Prize Pack Marvellous Spider -Man  17:21, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I am aware of the argument WP:OSE, still I want to mention that there are many crap articles created, which don't even find a single mention anywhere. They are created by WP:SPAs and manage to survive in Wikipedia. While some strong WP:GNG articles are nominated for deletion as some users chase other user's edits. Marvellous Spider -Man 16:53, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - A notable author does not equal a notable book. First source you listed is a repeat of what I already explained, as is the second. Third is a prize giveaway and fourth is a simply listing.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 17:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * There are some new references for you given above. Marvellous Spider</b> -Man 17:16, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:22, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep, as the links above from CBC, Guardian, etc. demonstrate. My rule of thumb for "multiple" reliable sources is three, and all told we have more than enough, with reviews and coverage of the book and its award from major international media. I haven't looked into the accusation of wikihounding but that's a serious one -- and this article should never have been brought to AFD, in my opinion, as the most basic WP:BEFORE work would have shown enough reliable sources. Sometime, when we suspect an editor of something it can create a negative halo effect, and perhaps that's at work here? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - no not really. I must have made a mistake nominating the article if you feel that way. It can be closed if you feel that strongly. I would not make such assumptions because of one comment I made nearly a month ago, but I guess that's just me. Close it or not, I will no longer participate in this Afd to avoid more irrational claims.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:12, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You could nominate articles as Jimy & Sonu Aqeel (I don't want to listen to the argument WP:OSE). Everyday 5 to 8 AFD qualified pages survive deletion process. <b style="color:Aqua">Marvellous</b> <b style="color:LawnGreen">Spider</b> -Man 00:31, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I probably shouldn't be the closer since I have participated in this Afd. I do think a WP:BEFORE search would have yielded enough coverage but it's far from an egregious case. I think it does meet WP:GNG, or how I define GNG, but it's close enough that others may disagree -- though I think they'd be mistaken. Anyway, I won't non-admin close this. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:42, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep, meets WP:NBOOK and WP:GNG. Reviewed by kirkus - "(star review), As majestic horses, iconic warriors (from Genghis Khan to Robin Hood), and cool tools are juxtaposed with Pinecone and her vacant-eyed pony, differences in stature, weaponry, and achievement are cleverly emphasized. .. Instead of breaking bones, this warrior princess breaks the mold—and Beaton is in a class of her own.", Publishers Weekly - "Beaton champions a bouquet of affirming themes: strong girls, acceptance of difference, and battling with nothing more violent than dodgeballs, spitballs, and other related objects. It’s a smart, brisk story that tosses aside conventional ideas of what princesses (and ponies) are “supposed” to be.", National Reading Campaign Canada - "With superb comedic timing and memorable characters, The Princess and the Pony is a surefire storytime crowd pleaser.", Quill & Quire - "It would be easy to assume, based on this book’s title, that it is nothing more than another bit of inconsequential fluff designed to sate the bottomless appetites of six-year-old girls for all things princess-ified and ponyish. But The Princess and the Pony is the work of Kate Beaton, the brilliant, wryly insightful comics artist behind the web comic Hark! A Vagrant (collected in two volumes published by Drawn & Quarterly), and in her capable hands the princess story is elevated to new levels of complexity, joy, and pure hilarity. .. There are many ways to express how stupendous this book is (a star, two hooves up, 5/5 pony farts), but only one thing to say about Kate Beaton: now that she has entered the world of picture books, the kidlit crown is hers for the taking.", The Bulletin of the Center for Children's Books - "This is the first foray into picture books for Beaton, author of the popular Hark! A Vagrant webcomic, and her signature wit is on display here. Once past the setup, the plot doesn’t always make a ton of sense, but the absurdity and gleefully irreverent tone compensate. .. This is a princess book that could break gender boundaries, appealing to fans of Scieszka and other irreverent authors, and it will provide a stepping stone to early graphic novels, particularly Simpson’s Phoebe and Her Unicorn", The Globe and Mail - "To call something cute is pretty much an insult in our culture right now. Often presented as a compliment, calling something or someone cute usually dismisses them as powerless and weak. The wonderful new book by Kate Beaton turns this idea on its head.", The Guardian - "In a new children’s book, Kate Beaton gently subverts the idea that ‘strong female heroes’ have to kick ass – and provides a lesson for adults too", St. Louis Post-Dispatch - "Kate Beaton’s charming book “The Princess and the Pony” (Scholastic, 40 pages, $17.99; ages 4-8) will also get young readers giggling with the gassy but lovable title animal. .. The princess and pony, drawn with wide eyes and blocky limbs, are immediately appealing, and Beaton adds little details — a fist bump between a warrior and his horse, a spectator wearing a foam hand — that give the story a modern edge.", Booklist - "(star review), The perfect combination of heartwarming and hilarious." and School Library Journal - "VERDICT A highly recommended, charmingly illustrated tale of teamwork and tenderness.-", CBC Radio listed it as one of six books to read during the holidays - "Should I Read It: Holiday Book List, A story for little girls and boys that turns the standard princess narrative on its head. .. It's adorable and hilarious.", an article in The Chronicle Herald - "Beaton new princess of kidlit" discusses the author and a bit of background on the book and pony, and WorldCat shows it is held in over 1000 libraries - . Coolabahapple (talk) 15:16, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep has plenty of critical attention. I'll add the information to the article. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:23, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article does need some expansion still but the critical attention needed to get it past WP:GNG, and a credible claim of notability as a winner of a noteworthy literary award, are present. Bearcat (talk) 20:14, 7 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep -- per the award and sufficient critical attention. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:25, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment This nomination was made only to harass me. <b style="color:Aqua">Marvellous</b> <b style="color:LawnGreen">Spider</b> -Man 03:30, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


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