Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Ram Cam


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete.  K ilo-Lima|(talk) 16:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

The Ram Cam
This is the webcam at http://rameysrealm.com/cam.html, which is on a domain that is ranked 5,551,357 by Alexa. It appears to be no more notable than any other webcam. Almost all of the Google hits for "ram cam" are for totally unrelated products and sites. Delete. GeorgeStepanek\talk 10:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Please Note: The "Ram Cam" was only officially called "The Ram Cam" from the year 2005. I recommend you re-check the site under the search name "RAMEY GHOST CAM" which comes up with completely relating links which shows it is amongst the most popular of webcams and has been for years.
 * Well, that search term gets exactly five hits on Google. Three of them are message boards, and the other two were posted by "Ramster". GeorgeStepanek\talk  11:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete also get too few hits to think that this is more notable than any other ghost cam. Gu 11:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and don't cross the streams, Ray. RasputinAXP   c  [[Image:Gadsden_flag.svg|25px]] 12:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry friends i dont mean to be annoying but this article took so long and i hope i can spare it with one more chance. Here goes...Please use dogpile instead of Google. Searching with one search engine cannot simply disquality something for being popular or not. Taken from the Geocities Stats for website /rameysrealm stats show: www.rameysrealm.com has been visited a total of 92,363 times. A link here with a huge comprehensive gallery on the cam found at :

http://www.ruthshere.com/ghost/ramcamcaps.htm

The ghostcam has had many, many hosts- the name changed- some links were lost- but if you go to any paranormal community and ask them about the ramcam or "rameys cam" they will know exactly what you are talking about. Rameys Realm won an award for the most Original Paranormal Site at Hunts ghosthunters paranormal group. Its listed on Paranormal Australia- Horrorfind Ghosts- Will County Ghost Hunters Society- Paranormal Reviews- Best Websites. Net - Ghostfiles. Org- Ghosts In The Linen Mill- Ghost Encyclopedia @ The Late Shift- Deviant Art and more...I just find it frustrating that something with plenty of reference- thousands of photos- genuine website- plenty of links and adequate hits simply cant make it to wikipedia...The Ram Cam is one of the strongest and convincing paranormal cams ever put on show- not to mention one of the longest lasting. What more is required?


 * Comment I'm sure that your cam is well known within the ghost hunter communities and boards but I don't think it's especially known to the rest of us. Google certainly has its faults but still if something has little Google hits it's usually one among other pointers to non-notability. But that aside your article is also to a large extent original research which is not allowed on Wikipedia Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research. So it also lacks independent sources and references which would be necessary to verify most things mentioned in the article. Maybe you want to consider to make a more general article about ghost cams around the world , with your cam as part of the list of existing ones? But please remember, no original research, just information which can be verified be independent sources. Gu 14:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I have links that directly mention the things that i have mentioned in this article to verify that these did indeed happen...You can see the pictures that relate to the apparitions mentioned in its text. I still ask of you to keep this as it is different than other ghost cams and has had reliable sources such as investigators and tests to conclude that it wasnt a hoax. I can post links that give more direct mentioning of the article which further shows that what is said can verified by more than one source. Im having a difficult time understanding this.
 * Delete no evidence of notability or exceptional popularity. I would support a well-sourced article on the concept/phenomenon of ghost cams in general, though. MCB 08:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

It appears that people are ignoring the sources listed and going about their merry ways researching the camera with their own methods its already been clearly stated that Rameys Realm won an award for the most Original Paranormal Site at Hunts ghosthunters paranormal group. Its listed on Paranormal Australia- Horrorfind Ghosts- Will County Ghost Hunters Society- Paranormal Reviews- Best Websites. Net - Ghostfiles. Org- Ghosts In The Linen Mill- Ghost Encyclopedia @ The Late Shift- Deviant Art and more...The website has nearly hit 100,000 web views (according to its host Geocities) and there are sites that back up its sources that show the information is accurate and reliable. Please stop ignoring the sources which directly point out the camera and its "popularity".


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