Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Raven (Harold Kionka)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Quasihuman (talk • contribs) 14:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

The Raven (Harold Kionka)

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Very minor-league journalist only known for broadcasting from a single motorcycle show. Biker Biker (talk) 17:43, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Delete As per WP: A7. I doubt that this journalist meets the notability standards. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 17:54, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Keep Author has revised the article to show the subject's notability. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not The Raven nor associated with him. As the references show, he is known for more then a single motorcycle show. The references list newspaper, magazines, and books that detail other activities that he reported on in the Daytona area. What makes him unique is that he was pioneering WebTV and citizen journalism before it was mainstream. The references establish The Raven as one of the first individuals using this medium. Today it is common to get live news from the internet. But 12 years ago, argueably no one was doing it. In reference to A7, these claims are credible as supported by traditional print references. If this explanation does not prove the case, then please assist me with what you look for that would allow the deletion tag to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnetbuild (talk • contribs) 18:08, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I did not expect to be saying this, but I looked at the actual references. The SFGate article is a RS for notability, and so is the Lasica book--I would not have been surprised on topics of this sort to find it self-published, but it was published by wiley and is in over 600 libraries according to WorldCat. `  DGG ( talk ) 03:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - needs some cleanup/copy-editing, but the sources appear sufficient to establish notability. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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