Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Real Richie Rich


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The result was   no consensus. L Faraone  21:12, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

The Real Richie Rich

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No indication of notability or even significance, other than unreferenced claim of association with LA Dream Team. Only Google results are the artist's own social media pages.  Iago Qnsi  (talk) 22:48, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Someone posted this on the talk page, presumably the article author

The Real Richie Rich (Not to be confused with the rapper Richie Rich), he was uncredited for the the rest of 90s and 80s. I can get you to him, papers, fax, call or anything. Yes hes on IMDB for his production on the film "The Dark Party". Give me some weeks to improve it and I will need help from you, appreciated.


 * Keep - Delete - I couldn't find anything to demonstrate notability. edit: my brain said delete, my fingers had a brain fart. Bali88 (talk) 22:55, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - The article states that the artist was a member of a hip hop group that, while underground, was signed to a major label, MCA, released three albums, and was active for at least a decade. While the Allmusic biography of the group does not specifically list him as member (or provide a comprehensive list of members), I found one third-party source, a listing for a CD on Ebay, that says the release features "The Real Richie Rich of the LA Dream Team": http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Chicano-Rap-CD-Joe-Serious-Serious-Business-Dominator-Sara-S-Big-Qluso-/171226767220

If he was a member of an active and notable hip-hop troupe, which seems to be the case, people should be able to find out about it on Wikipedia. Plus, who knows what information could make it to the web and get sourced in this article in the months and years to come. I say it stays. --TheRealDoctorJoe (talk) 23:08, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * How does wikipedia view IMDB? I had it in my head that IMDB was viewed as a tertiary source, much like wikipedia and was user edited. Is IMDB considered a reliable source? If he did what you're saying, he may meet notability requirements. However, I'm hesitant to add him with the idea that more sources may appear. I wasn't able to find anything to back up notability. We should list this with music related discussions to see if any music editors will take an interest in the article and improve it. Someone else will have to do that: I'm too new to know how to do that. :-) Bali88 (talk) 23:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited, so being involved with LA Dream Team does not automatically make The Real Richie Rich notable. Even if it did, Richie Rich is not even mentioned in the dream team's article (which, as a side note, makes quite a few unsupported claims and is rather low on references). Additionally, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; we can't keep an article in hopes that its subject will become verifiably notable in the future. If a subject becomes notable later, its article can be rewritten, but until it becomes notable it shouldn't have an article. - Iago Qnsi  (talk) 00:43, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Official policy is that Wikipedia views IMDB as "generally not a reliable source" since the pages are user-edited, but really most of the information there is factual and the actual biographies cannot be edited by normal users. However, pretty much any article on an actor, director, or film cites IMDB pages without issue. The feeling I get is that this guy is both notable and legit, there just isn't a ton of information about him on the web at this point. Some new information has been added since I weighed in on this discussion but a lot of it seems pretty advert. It's by no means beyond help though. I'm going to tag it and try to wiki it up into a passable article. --TheRealDoctorJoe (talk) 23:36, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

EDIT: The article creator appears to be editing furiously as we speak. Best to sit back and watch for now. --TheRealDoctorJoe (talk) 23:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice. I hope he can pull it off Bali88 (talk) 23:57, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Draft Notability is not inherited.  The article is too promotional, and there's no evidence of coverage in reliable sources.  If he's underground, then I applaud him for choosing integrity over fame, but that makes it difficult to write a reliably sourced article. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC) For what it's worth, the creator of the page has left messages on my talk page.  He says that he's contacted The Real Richie Rich, who has indicated that he may grant a few interviews to help establish notability.  I think there's a fair chance that TRRR will satisfy our notability requirements soon.  I'd recommend that we at least move the page to draft space or userfy it.  If the interviews never surface, we can always return later. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:42, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:47, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:47, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 00:13, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 08:26, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.