Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Reformation (album) (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 04:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The Reformation (album)
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Non-notable unreleased album with little or no substantial media coverage. Sourced mostly from interviews and sources of dubious reliabilty. Previously deleted via AFD, speedy deletion was declined. Still fails WP:MUSIC. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  18:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC) 
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.   — Hello, Control  Hello, Tony  18:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per "upcoming debut album" and citations that aren't great. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete The album hasn't been released yet. Once its out, and people are talking about it, then you can make an article about it.  This violates the rule: WP:CBALL Dream Focus (talk) 01:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The G4 speedy was declined because this incarnation of the article is substantially improved from the version that was previously deleted. For a hip-hop article, the sourcing is pretty good, including an XXL interview. This is good enough for me. Glass  Cobra  11:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The speedy was declined because the article "is not substantially similar to deleted version, and current version is sourced". That an article is sourced does not mean it meets notability requirements. The video interview—actually a DubCNN video that is merely embedded on the XXL website (it's not from XXL magazine)—is fine, as far as primary sources goes. It doesn't, however, appear to be primarily about The Reformation, but about his new (at the time—1 year ago) mixtape, Caltroit. Not the substantial coverage required by WP:MUSIC. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  14:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete--improved it may be, but the Crystal Ball rule still applies. Drmies (talk) 23:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: unreleased album - notability not established, WP:CRYSTAL. JamesBurns (talk) 00:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


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