Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Search for the Twelve


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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 19:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The Search for the Twelve

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Unencylopaedic essay, with lots of POV ("The choice of the twelve was solely the sovereign will of Jesus") and original research, but not much of a well defined subject. Any usable content could be incorporated into Twelve Apostles, but I don't see much myself Iain99 17:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree  ShoesssS Talk   17:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, obvious essay, lots of POV issues, material better covered elsewhere. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 17:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - as per above, it's an essay and would need a lot of work to bring in line. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 20:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Response: even reducing the article to a stub is better than deleting it; it can grow into something useful. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 21:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep but Rename to "efforts to locate the twelve apostles" -- "The search for the twelve" returns 62,300 google hits; it's notable. But the article is a complete mess, utterly POV, essay-style.  Needs a complete rewrite.  Should be tagged with templates to encourage said rewrite.  Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, now that I've made an effort to rewrite and clean up the article, I can't really find the encyclopedic center. I'm abstaining from voting on this one way or the other, since it's not my area of expertise. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment I don't think there is an encyclopaedic centre - that's the problem. The overwhelming majority of the Google hits (on the first half dozen pages at least) refer to an apparently highly regarded book called The Search For The Twelve Apostles. There might well be scope for an article on that book, but it won't be needing any of the text here, and note the different title anyway. "The search for the twelve", or anything like it, isn't a good title for any encyclopaedia article as it's not a subject in itself, just a good title for an essay or book about the history of the Apostles. Iain99 00:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 15:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.