Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Seldon Plan (band)

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD 02:50, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Seldon Plan (band)
Band vanity. Let them release their first full-length CD (or do something similarly noteworthy), and then we can take another look at them. -- Hoary 09:56, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, band vanity. Megan1967 10:28, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn bandcruft. ComCat 01:54, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Band vanity. --Smithfarm
 * UndeleteThis band has had two indie label releases and one article write up in the College Music Journal which qualifies them under our current criteria. spectrilla 05:43, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: this was actually added not by spectrilla &mdash; who doesn't exist, or anyway has made no contribution &mdash; but (at 22:40, 2005 Mar 27) by 141.157.86.196, an IP that on the same day blanked Template:POV check (here's the diff). 141.157.86.196 stuck this "undelete" vote at the very top; I've moved it to the correct place in chronological order. -- Hoary 01:52, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
 * Undelete--Did some research and could not find the College Music article but did find a review in the All Music Guide and some info on amazon.com. Sufficient doubt for removal due to band vanity, but POV issues need to be addresss. Maybe condense the article to the relevant points. Goferwiki
 * Comment: Amazon sells an EP and offers mp3 files from it: no full-length CD. The agonizingly slow allmusic.com has no article about the Seldon Plan; it does have absolute minimal recognition of the band's mini-CD. Goferwiki, I'm puzzled by the way that your vote above is only your second contribution to WP, after a user page consisting of the single word "Goferwiki". -- Hoary 10:52, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)


 * Comment: Agreed on the amazon point and on the all music guide point, however on that point-there is a one-paragraph review of the EP-perhaps that should be the basis of a stub instead of the full-length article? Would point out two issues 1) I am a sci-fi buff and just joined Wiki and happpenstance found this discussion. I used it as an excuse to read the rules regarding deletions-one one of which states (paraphrasing) that "when in doubt-do not delete." I think at least in this (and other discussions I have seen for other pages) there is an overzealousness to get rid of information. 2) I wonder about your objectivity in this situation about this article based on the verbiage you use in your dismissal of the contents (see earlier comments about other users) and your ad hominem attack on my membership. New users have as much right to begin to join discussions as veterans. I think for this article, the article should be re-written to under a paragraph and not deleted. (See the entry for "The Seldon Plan" refrencing th Asimov concept-how I got to this page.) The number of entries I have made should play no bearing in the relevance of my viewpoint as it should not weigh in, in the relevance of yours. Finally, I tried to cite some research on this article in offering my opinion about it-none of the above users, including yourself did that in asking for deletion. --Goferwiki 12:35, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Welcome to Wikipedia, Goferwiki! A couple points, which I hope you will find constructive and helpful. (1) The purpose of this VfD page is to arrive at a consensus at what is noteworthy enough to be included in an encyclopedia. Please look here - What Wikipedia is not - for a discussion of what doesn't belong. The general consensus in the past has always been that vanity pages are no-go. (2) Although arriving at such a consensus is not always easy, Wikipedians try not to get involved in or incite flamewars. That means we don't make accusations or conduct personal attacks against other users. (3) The only justification for having a stub in the encyclopedia is that the subject of the article belongs in the encyclopedia but nobody has written a more in-depth article yet. (4) The Community Portal page has pointers on how people can put their creative energies to use for the good of our cooperative encyclopedia project. So feel free to roll up your sleeves and jump right in! Be bold in editing and improving articles. (5) The more contributions a person makes to encyclopedia articles, the more weight their opinions carry here. --Smithfarm 13:27, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment: Smithfarm, thank you for the points. I just read Please do not bite the newcomers and I want to point out that I was trying to be helpful and was a taken aback by the tone of the response. I understand clearly the vanity issue, my point is that this article should just be scaled way back as I think we might have problems proving 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that it is self-serving. I wanted to err on the side of scaling back and not-deleting versus just deleting.


 * Very Weak Keep I would prefer to err on the side of inclusion. I have done some editing to make the tone more neutral.  If someone is familiar with the music genres this band is listed as a fusion of, those might make some good categories.  Having said that, if the article goes into that good night, I won't cry over it.  They can always be resubmitted should more notoriety attach to the group. -- Glen Finney 20:15, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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