Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Seventh Brother


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   SPEEDILY DELETED, G5. Banje (or anyone else), if you want to take another stab at this, be my guest. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 04:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The Seventh Brother

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No assertion of importance or significance. Drawn Some (talk) 01:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  --  J mundo 02:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete unless sources can be provided. The article is mainly just a retelling of the plot and a list of the cast, which seems to be for the English language version. Borock (talk) 03:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete – Nothing on Google News, no awards, no major reviews, does not show notability.  TheAE  talk / sign  03:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CSB and successful source searches for the title in non-English sources... as the film was made in Hungary, after all. These will require translation by wikipedians skilled in these languages. Hungarian (original) title: A hetedik testvér, German title: Bobo und die Hasenbande, Swedish title: Bobo och kaninerna. In the number of non-English sources I found, specially through Google News, certainly something must be a non-English reliable source.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:CSB is a wikiproject, not a guideline or essay. ¬_¬
 * Lemme see what I can dig up in German. A German-language IMDB-like release database has a 2003 German-language R2 DVD release for it, under Columbia Tristar's home video label. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of the Google News hits are presseportal.de, a press release aggregator. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha. The Wormser Zeitung listing is a TV schedule. And from what I can find of the Aachener Zeitung (these are both local papers) hit, the movie was shown at a local "children's movie" presentation (the article appears to be a "local events" listing). Nothing in the German Google News hits is a useful article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment-Even if there were appropriate references, there is no assertion of importance or significance. Drawn Some (talk) 14:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Presumably, a proper reliable source would have such a claim. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 15:26, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Blame the author for not making the assertion. Now that its here, we lok to see if it IS notable.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 16:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * An essay, yes... but a valid one in that it has bearing as far as addressing the problems with finding non-English sources for English articles about non-English subjects. So... a Hungarian film may have greater note in Hungary... and taking a crack at Hungarian sources with Google Translation:
 * Jun 19, 2007 in "Népszava" (People): Article on The Hungarian Film Festival speaks of 3-D imaging in games and speaks about the musician who scored The Seventh Brother: ""The last job Rubbish arranged at the beginning of the nineties, was the seventh son" - quoting the master of animation. He pointed out that it is always the best-loved works." Would indicate that the film is renowned in Hungary, at least by some.
 * Nov 8, 2005 in "Magyar Nemzet": Article on Cottbus Film Festival speaks of the film as a favorite to be screened in a children's retrospective 10 Years after release, seeming to meet one of the criteria for NF.
 * As by no means a liguist or translator... I am of the opinion that this film has notability in Hungary and is being screened in festivals more than 10 years after its initial release. Is it in archives?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 16:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per MichaelQSchmidt. Granite thump (talk) 20:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you specify some sort of reason for that please? This is a discussion not a vote. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - cos its cute, and the article is now much improved with some assertion of noteablity. From above looks like there are several more sources to establish noteability, which will be best added by someone with the required language skills. FeydHuxtable (talk) 10:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. No indication of notability. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 17:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - creation G5, creation of a banned sockpuppet (User:Bambifan101 sock. As such, extremely likely the bulk of the article is false. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 22:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh shit. Like yourself, I tried to get away from this whole problem, but this loony just won't let go. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sad thing is, if you check the article history you'll see he created it, vandalized it with another sock, then undid the vandalism to try to make the first sock look more legit. *shaking head* -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 00:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And I actually talked to him on my talk page, and now that I look at the history, he came along as an ip and made all these weird nonsense edits. I feel like I need a shower now. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't matter now who wrote it, as it is now wiki's... and we have taken it under our wing. It is now sourced, and expanded... improved from what was first authored. Be unhappy with the editor, but the article now belongs to us all and we have the opportunity and responsibility to make it worthy of the project, aand thus showing the puppet what can be accomplished within the rules. Being the work of a puppet does not make the additional informations automatically false... only makes them suspect. So in checking, the information passes V, is not false, and improves the project. Attack the messenger if you wish, but the message in this instance is sound. No sense tossing the baby out with the bathwater.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.