Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Shores of Molokai


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Buckethead discography. No prejudice against changing the redirect target to an article about the "pikes" series, if the series can be proven to pass WP:GNG. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 04:10, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The Shores of Molokai

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Redirect and protect due to lack of notability in accordance with WP:NALBUMS. Non-notable, uncharted album only digitally released on artist's bandcamp website. Best regards,  Cindy  ( talk to me ) 06:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Reply to Cindy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.183.203.7 (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)  The album will be released on CD soon, see http://bucketheadpikes.com/. Also the site is not bandcampsite, but the artists own label site (ok the download section seems to be related to bandcamp, previous CD purchaces have not been through bandcamp however). Previous albums in the series can be found in iTunes, this will likely also be there in the near future. I strongly feel this page should not be deleted, but if it is deleted maybe other album pages from this artist also need to be deleted since this page is no diffferent from many of the artists album pages.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.183.203.7 (talk) 07:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Buckethead or Buckethead discography. There are no reliable sources out there to show that this album is ultimately notable at this point in time. Will it be? Maybe. Buckethead is a notable person and it's possible that there could be more coverage. We can't guarantee that though, as even the more mainstream bands and artists have had times where they released albums that got little to no attention. As far as deleting all of his albums, that's a little hasty. Some of them could very much be notable and have gotten enough coverage to pass notability guidelines in one format or another. Then again, maybe they didn't. The other albums aren't the ones that are up for deletion right now, so stating that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument because all that might mean is that someone hasn't gotten around to listing them for deletion yet. As far as the source in the article goes, it's a primary source and cannot show notability. It merely shows that it exists, and existing is not notability, no matter how notable Buckethead is. Very few people are so notable that everything they did would be considered notable as well. People of that level of notability would be someone along the lines of Shakespeare or maybe the Beatles, but even then there are limits. That's an astronomical and almost near impossible level of notability to reach. Buckethead is not at that level at this time. Now with all of that being said, I have no problem with someone wanting to userfy a copy of the article if they wanted to continue to work on it. If the IP user is so inclined to sign up for an account and work on finding reliable sources, I have no problem with that. We just can't keep an article unless there's some reliable sources to show notability and we can't keep an article under the idea that eventually there might be sources. (WP:CRYSTALBALL)Tokyogirl79 (talk) 08:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I also want to note that even if the album was released on CD through a recording house, that in itself also does not give notability. Notability is shown through multiple and independent reliable sources, which again, are not out there right now.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 08:29, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Move all "pikes" series albums to one page As mentioned before all the albums in the "Pikes" series are more or less similar, released through the artists page and also sold on iTunes, tour and maybe some other instances. Since none of them probably meets the notability guidelines on their own maybe a single page combining them could be created (with more or less the same information as on the individual pages now). Would that be considered more notable? I always thought it's good information is available so I fail to see the logic why pages with perfectly good information are deleted. But that's just me and my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.183.203.7 (talk) 12:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 21:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect as above. This album, like all the Pike series albums I've looked at, lacks independent notability. Nothing satisfying WP:NALBUMS. Wikipedia is not a Buckethead fan site. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep it as it is and, please, RESTORE Balloon Cement and Empty Space articles immediately or the chronology/navigation within the albums infoboxes will not function properly. All these A[RT]lbums, as well as all other albums by this fantastic artist, are very notable. For example, visit Empty Space and Balloon Cement at Discogs, and Empty Space, Balloon Cement, and The Shores of Molokai at Rate Your Music. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Has not received sufficient coverage in reliable sources that are independent of The Shores of Molokai subject per WP:GNG. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 03:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
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