Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Sinbadventurers


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The Sinbadventurers
The result was speedy keep, nominator withdrawn. Mach61 12:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__
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Not finding any good secondary sources outside the Norddeutscher Rundfunk review. No hits on ProQuest, which is always a bad sign for the notability of a contemporary western subject. Mach61 12:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi there, I created this entry about this opera because there is very little information on it in English. Although one could make the case that there is insufficient source material in English to warrant a wikipedia entry, I'd like to make the argument that a lot of readers would appreciate having a well-written entry in English as opposed to a computer-generated translation of the German entry. Google the opera under its German title "sindbadauken" and I think you'll see why I wanted to fill this void. Cheers! Cosmomontoya (talk) 13:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cosmomontoya There's no requirement sources be in English, but I did searches under both the German and English titles. If you can find reliable sources covering this play in depth in any language, please link them here, and I may withdraw this AfD. Mach61 13:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Here are links to some of the publications that I compiled information from when creating the article:
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtRIX_hN3PU&ab_channel=operapiccola
 * https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/magazin/article205169549/Die-Hamburger-Sindbadauken.html
 * https://www.boosey.com/downloads/NB_Spezial_Kinderoper_web.pdf
 * https://www.francis-huesers.de/ver%C3%B6ffentlichungen/
 * https://www.francis-huesers.de/biographie/
 * https://www.theaterhagen.de/ueber-uns/schauspielermitarbeiter/?tx_theatre_actor%5Baction%5D=show&tx_theatre_actor%5Bactor%5D=1539&cHash=56264df84a11e77fc977e0753dc05562
 * https://issuu.com/staatsoper_hamburg/docs/oper_journal_3-14-15_b9c9088ff9088c
 * When I wrote the article, there was also a page on the composer's website which listed all of the cast members in English, however I'm not finding that anymore. This information looks like it is all on the YouTube page. Cosmomontoya (talk) 21:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cosmomontoya The Abendblatt source is the only relevant one mentioned for establishing compliance with the general notability guideline. While I suppose it counts, it's not very long, and much of its content is quotes by other people. Two relatively short reviews isn't enough to make a play notable IMO Mach61 22:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Just to be sure that we're talking about the same thing: the work is not a play but rather an opera. Moreover, it's an opera performed by children. These are quite rare, and this particular one is worth inclusion because it is a through-composed work, meaning the work starts and ends without interruption, as opposed to a musical, which is a mixture of dialogue (like a play) and music numbers. Hope this helps to clarify the "genre." Cosmomontoya (talk) 11:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cosmomontoya as there is no specialized notability guideline for operas, they fall under the aforementioned general notability guideline (GNG); the nature of the opera isn't really relevant to notability. If a third GNG-meeting source can be located, I will withdraw this deletion discussion. Mach61 11:22, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mach61: What do you think of this source? I'm not sure what to make of it. Toughpigs (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Toughpigs Though its the description entry for a recording of Sinbadventures, it mostly covers the opera piccola format without discussing this specific work in detail. Mach61 21:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's interesting that this page is in English and not in German: https://archiv.mimecentrum.de/videos/MCB-TV-8973
 * I missed it when I created the article, however it's interesting because it's written by the librettist. He gives insight into the creative process for the work.
 * I didn't reference this publication when I wrote the article, however here's a third source:
 * https://onlinemerker.com/hamburg-staatsoperopera-piccola-die-hamburger-sindbadauken-jugendoper/ Cosmomontoya (talk) 05:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cosmomontoya Alright, withdrawn Mach61 12:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   19:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Theatre and Germany.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.