Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Smurfs and communism (third nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The Smurfs and communism
lets face it, this article seems to be an original research essay of unsourced, useless information. Many of the claims and sources in it cannot be found on the internet or anywhere else, theories shouldn't be trusted without references. I am suggesting deletion or merging the more reliable facts into The Smurfs. The sunder king 15:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless reliable sources can be found. This has been floating around the net for years, may have been a Rush Limbaugh bit at one time, but ... --Dhartung | Talk 15:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge/Weakest of keeps Sources exist. Look at this one, from The Stanford Daily: .  In its current state, the article is OR; but I think there's a chance it can be salvaged.  Could we at least merge it to Smurfs?  Ichormosquito 16:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Note- I've mentioned that in the nomination, but much of the content is original research. The sunder king 16:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - That's fair, I suppose. The OR is pretty glaring:  "A true Marxist is an atheist. There is no mention of God in Smurf comics, and there is no Priest Smurf."  Ichormosquito 16:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete interesting article but definitely WP:OR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlindEagle (talk • contribs) 16:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article is original research. But mention the ideas, cited of course, in The Smurfs. Steve Dufour 17:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. What bothers me is that, using this "methodology", one could find references to communism in everything, from Macbeth to American Pie. GregorB 18:24, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Uh, see Marxist literary criticism. Too many years ago I wrote a B- paper deconstructing Falstaff using a Marxist approach. --Dhartung | Talk 08:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge into The Smurfs. We can get a nice, meaty section out of this, it's been discussed enough.  Not quite significant enough for it's own article, though.  --UsaSatsui 21:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nomination, totally ridiculous. Burntsauce 23:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per all of the above, plus Fringe theories. The Hyb rid  23:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - completely ridiculous OR. DWaterson 23:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete it's times like this I was there was an option to transwiki to Uncyclopedia. Still, since it seems to be largely a POV piece of  original research, we'd better send all the little blue (unless red blue=purple) men and women to the big bit-bucket in the sky. B figura  (talk) 05:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge (assuming that a published source can be found) a much abridged version of this to The Smurfs. After the generation that watched the Smurfs in the 80s grew up and went to college, there has been much analysis of whether there was a deeper meaning to Peyo's creation.  I've seen the controversies over the fact that there is only one Smurfette among the many male Smurfs, or whether "Jokey Smurf" was a terrorist.  The theory of The Smurfs as an allegory about Communism appears, at this time, to be original research, but could probably be sourced.  Anyone looking for an idea for a masters or doctoral thesis?  Mandsford 13:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Smurf per nom. (delete)  RFerreira 20:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Procedural comment: This discussion has been held twice before, here Articles for deletion/Smurf Communism and here Articles for deletion/The Smurfs and communism (1): this last one was originally titled Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Smurfs and communism, but moved by the creator of this AfD. Please don't do this, as it makes it very hard to find previous AfD's, and invalidates all links. This AfD now turns up in the middle of Articles for deletion/Log/2006 February 6... I'll try to clean up this mess, and I hope everyone will at least check the arguments from the previous two keep AfD's. Fram 09:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

This has now been cleaned up, if you find any redirects or other references still pointing the wrong way, please do correct them as well. Fram 09:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry- but still original research reguardless of the quality, the AFD warrants the criteria for closing now anyway. The sunder king 13:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - it's original research, no references whatsoever. I do like the fact that Brainy Smurf looks like Trotsky on the basis that he wears glasses. Sorry, but this is a delete all the way. Irishjp 11:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.