Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Sound of Love (Lydia Canaan song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Overall, there is no evidence of notability as to the song itself. Excluding the links to the studio page, the youtube videos, and to Dogbrain music, (which aren't independent sources), the reliable source mentions (wordpress isn't a WP:RS) aren't non-trivial coverage (calling it "a hit" or "awesome" or whatever is nice but is largely trivial). She is notable, this song separately is not. - Ricky81682 (talk) 21:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

The Sound of Love (Lydia Canaan song)

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Song fails WP:NSONG. There are no reliable sources that discuss the song.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  07:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Lots of stuff about her, but not about the song. Also the article claim "that topped the charts for months at No. 1" is not in any citation and I can't find any proof of that. —Мандичка YO 😜 08:47, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

 WikiEditorial101  (talk) Hello, and thank you for your time and consideration concerning the article I created. There are, in fact, numerous sources that mention this song - here is one of various sources (I chose this one because it's online and you can verify it easily): http://www.philsbook.com/maison-rouge.html Thanks to your keen observation, I am adding this citation to the article. Concerning the article claim "that topped the charts for months at No. 1", I have for you an offline citation: Billboard TalentNet RadioBTN Top 50, December 25, 1998. I will also add this citation to the article in question. Based on the fruits of my research, I kindly and respectfully request that the article be deemed relevant and credible and that it therefore not be deleted. ''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditorial101 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:Notability means that significant coverage in reliable sources is necessary (see: WP:42). The source you cited just mentions the song, but that is not enough. There is no significant coverage.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  17:22, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

WikiEditorial101  (talk)  http://www.dogbrainmusic.com/clients.html This link is to another source that discusses how "The Sound of Love" and also the song's music video and how both were played on various major satellite networks (Orbit, Music Now, Middle East Broadcasting Center, Arab Radio and Television Network, LBCI, Future TV, Showtime, MTV Arabia, Murr TV, Dubai TV, and Bahrain TV), local television stations, and radio stations. It has truly been my lack of research that has been the problem. Thank you for your time and consideration.  WikiEditorial101  (talk)  In addition to the sources cited in the article, this link is to another source that discusses the song "The Sound of Love" : http://www.philsbook.com/maison-rouge.html I've added this citation to the article. And here is another previously uncited source: http://www.dogbrainmusic.com/clients.html Added this citation, too. Also, here is a source for the article claim that "The Sound of Love" "topped the charts for months at No. 1": Billboard TalentNet RadioBTN Top 50, December 25, 1998. I've also added this citation. I kindly and respectfully request that the article not be deleted.
 * (Response to adminhelp request) There is no administrator intervention required here. This is a discussion process among all users that lasts normally for a minimum of seven days. After that period ends an administrator will make a decision based on the discussion. I would note however (wearing my editor hat only) that the first link you posted is as far from an independent source as can be and is just a mere mention of her in a list of her own producer's clients – not substantive coverage about her in a reliable, secondary source that could be used to verify any real content; it does not help to evidence notability at all. The second is more of the same: a mere mention of her in a list as having recorded at a studio.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:56, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Will this work? Here is an idependent, third-party source: http://books.google.com.lb/books?id=Mw0EAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditorial101 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That link is to a search all in Arabic and lands on the magazine's front cover so it's hard to tell what you intend. When I search that edition of Billboard in English, the only thing I find is a page, here, that shows a different track than "Sound of Love" by Canann in a list of new tracks. If this was actually about this song, and not about another Canaan song, it would still be a mere mention, not substantive coverage at all. Canaan is plenty notable and no one seeks to delete the article on her. The topical scope of this article is the song and so we need reliable and independent sources (like Billboard) that talk about the song, in detail (and in the text of the magazine proper, not in an ad appearing in it). This is better but is still a passing mention (actually, on second thought, I don't think it's even about the song, I think it's about the album). The fact is that I have searched and I can't find any sources. That means we should not have an article. You've fallen into the trap (as many before you have) of not understanding first what is required for an article (reliable secondary sources treating the subject in detail), and then checking if an article is sustainable by looking for the existence of those sources. Instead, you wrote what you knew first and it's human nature to feel very strongly about not having your act of creation deleted. But you are going to have to just chalk it up to experience, knowing now what is needed and that you won't make this mistake again. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:15, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

 WikiEditorial101  (talk)  Thank you so much for your time, patience, kindness, knowledge, and guidance. I can now let this article die in peace *que the violins* WikiEditorial101 (talk)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Of note is that while a contributor to the discussion stated, "I can now let this article die in peace *que the violins*," they have not voted to do such. North America1000 04:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge with Lydia Canaan article - I'm not sure why nobody suggested this.  this content can "live on" in main article. Even though the sources are not strong enough to prove notability for their own article, they may be of use in an article on a subject that has already satisfied the GNG requirements.  —Мандичка YO 😜 07:17, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your acknowledgement that this article deserves further consideration, as I believe that this song is more than noteworthy *silencing the violins and queuing the fiddle*

Sorry, but I insist that this song's cited notoriety deems it worthy of its own article. WikiEditorial101 (talk) 06:30, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In light of the new content and citations that I have just now added to the article in question, I request that this discussion end and that the deletion tag be removed.

WikiEditorial101 (talk) 06:52, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The sources provided are not reliable, and don't directly mention the song, which doesn't provide notability. SilverSurfingSerpent (talk) 16:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The above statement is an innacurate and subjective generalization made by a very new user (or a sock).

WikiEditorial101 (talk) 17:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I have found yet another source validating the song's noteability, which is aparently global - Japanese journalist Fumiya Akashika of RedDeer International called the song a "smash hit": https://reddeervoice.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/lydia-canaan-passion-for-music-and-humanity/ WikiEditorial101 (talk) 01:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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