Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Star Spangled Banner (Whitney Houston song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus (13 keep, 10 delete, 5 merge). I did move this article to The Star Spangled Banner (Whitney Houston single), though.  Rob e  rt  22:55, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

The Star Spangled Banner (Whitney Houston song)
Surely every major rendition of "The Star-Spangled Banner" is not going to get its own article. As such, delete or summerize and merge--no redirect--to an article on an album or on the singer herself. FuriousFreddy 02:13, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a notable musical recording, and it shouldn't matter whether or not it's of an old song; we have a whole category of Category:Whitney Houston singles. Also, let's move this to The Star Spangled Banner (Whitney Houston single).--Pharos 02:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge #1 billboard single Ryan Norton T 02:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The article says it was #20. --FuriousFreddy 04:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Ryan Norton. There are 27 singles in Category:Whitney Houston singles and over 60 more in Category:Mariah Carey singles.  I hope we aren't going to nominate them all.  [ edit ] 02:38, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * On second thought, there are a lot of problems with this article and this one of many recordings of the song. I would support moving this to something along the lines of Recordings of "The Star-Spangled Banner" as suggested to broaden the scope of the article.  [ edit ] 05:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - Notable version from Whitney. OmegaWikipedia 03:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and Move per Pharos. &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( TALK )  03:09, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge all commercial versions of the Star Spangled Banner. -- BD2412 talk 03:10, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I like BDAmbramson's idea. Redirect it to recordings of "The Star-Spangled Banner" or something. I would say to redirect to The Star-Spangled Banner, but that's an awfully long article already. Tuf-Kat 03:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That isn't a bad idea. Call it Notable recordings of The Star Spangled Banner .There, dicussions of all major versions of the song could be covered. Writng an article about just the Whitney Houston version seperately looks disarmingly POV. Whitney Houston could not possibly be the only artist to perform a highly notable version of the song. --FuriousFreddy 04:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article is actually pretty long for a single recording, and (perhaps surprisingly) most all of it is even relevant.  If the article was a little blurb I could see merging it, but this has the heft that it should stand on its own.--Pharos 04:23, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Then edit it. An article's legnth should not make it inherently notable. I could write a 50k article on what items are inside my car and how it got there, in full prose and with footnotes, but that doesn't inherently make that article notable. --FuriousFreddy 04:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. OK, this sort of thing is a bit fancruftish, but there's some consistency to having pages for all the charted singles of a popular singer. *Dan T.* 04:33, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * We are in the process of setting definite guidelines for all song articles; see WikiProject Music/Notability and Music Guidelines/Songs. But, suffice it to say that every charting song from an artist does not need an article. --FuriousFreddy 04:42, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. [1] Wrong title. "The Star Spangled Banner" is not a "Whitney Houston song". It's a Whitney Houston recording. [2] the article claims it was for fundraising, and provides no details of any funds raised. [3] "blew the crowd away" is a bit hyperbolic for Wikipedia, no? [4] "her version is the most recognized vocal version of the song in the modern generation" is unprovable piffle.  And what of Rosanne Barr's ageless rendition? Why have we no article on it? [5] "Houston had performend [sic] the song in front of nearly 100 million spectators and TV viewers at the Super Bowl" (she had actually lip-synched rather than performed.). [6] "the golden girl of the industry"? [7] "even more shocking the song could reach that high".  If there's actually any important information in this "article", put it in Whitney Houston's article. - Nunh-huh 04:46, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Whatever crufty flaws there may be in the current edit, the atmosphere of patriotism/jingoism surrounding the 1991 Iraq War, and this song's special place in it, makes this recording independently notable. Move, as suggested, to the better title. Xoloz 05:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is very informative. Cnwb 05:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge as above. No way should every cover version of a song merit a separate article. &mdash;Wahoofive (talk) 05:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with The Star-Spangled Banner and delete The majority of this article is POV fancruft and original research/essay/review—it even gives a brief explanation of Sept. 11 and the effect of it on this song—and can be cut. However, it is semi-notable in the sense of being a major modern recording of the song (though maybe not as much of one as Hendrix's, but I'm more of a Jimi fan myself) and can be noted in the relevant section of the main article. --Blackcap | talk 06:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Please note that the GFDL requires merges to be finished with a redirect. Deletion would destroy the edit history. - Mgm|(talk) 09:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course, I hadn't thought about that. Thank you. --Blackcap | talk 15:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course you didn't think of that. It's not true. There's no reason attribution can't be given in an edit summary or on a talk page. - Nunh-huh 04:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but after reading WP:MM it seems like it doesn't hurt anything to have the redirect, and is simpler that having to paste the edit history into a talk page. It'd be a lot of info to put into an edit summary. --Blackcap | talk 06:16, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete outright, per User:Nunh-huhh. --Calton | Talk 07:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Nunh-huh. -- Kjkolb 08:21, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete &mdash; non-notable (also poor quality and wrongly named, but those aren't reasons for deletion). --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete As it stands it's a poor article. To be merged it needs to be re-written. Marcus22 11:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Nunh-huh. Al 12:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, move or merge. This isn't one to delete. AndyJones 17:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge per Blackcap, although it shouldn't be merged in full and needs to actually have some encyclopedicity to it. -Splash talk 20:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mostly-content-free article on a non-notable rending of the song. --Carnildo 21:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable element of pop culture. --Jacquelyn Marie 21:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Ditto, notable element of pop culture. Furthermore, I like this record.Hektor 22:10, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Stubify to about three sentences and merge into Whitney Housotn. User:Zoe|(talk) 07:00, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming that you mean Whitney Houston? --Blackcap | talk 11:46, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I can spell, I just can't type. :)  User:Zoe|(talk) 19:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete (or merge and redirect). It isn't notable enough to warrant a separate article. Phronima 13:45, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --Anittas 21:27, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to album or artist, or per BD2412. Jkelly 22:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Since it is a part of Houston's discography, it is still notable. Winnermario 02:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, this version of the Star Spangled Banner is a classic that has has a large cultural impact as it has been released twice during critical periods and its profits have gone to help those in need. It is still viewed as one of the best recordings of the U.S. anthem and one of the best recordings of Whitney Houston's career, so it is very notable.  It was even officially released as a single and received airplay and sold very well, charting on many Billboard charts and even topping the Hot 100 Singles Sales chart for 6 weeks.  --Musicpvm 03:26, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * ...and that's all that needs to be said about it. That can easily fit elsewhere. It would make absolutely no since to have seperate articles on, of all things, "The Star Spangled Banner". --FuriousFreddy 03:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No, that is definitely not all there is to say about. There is an entire article-worth of information to say about it as is evident when looking at the article, and I find all that information to be encyclopedic!  There is no reason to delete all that information and merge this into another article and say a few lines about it when there is much more to say about it.  This is currently a good, informative article.  You should spend more of your time trying to expand Wikipedia articles rather than trying to get random articles with useful and encyclopedic information deleted. --Musicpvm 05:23, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Just thought I'd point out that I've heard a handful of recordings of the Star-Spangled Banner, and Houston's is insipid and just plain terrible. And I consider myself a mild Whitney Houston fan -- this is certainly not one of the best recordings of her career!  Everything else you said is a debatably acceptable reason to keep, but the quality of the recording is irrelevant as far as keeping or deleting the article. See WP:NPOV. Tuf-Kat 05:32, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I've removed all the speculation and opinion regarding this recording, which shortened the article significantly. Once you cut out all the crap about "predominant renditions" and speculation about the "most recognized vocal version of the song in the modern generation" and why Houston did not release the song outside the US, there's not much left besides chart data. Tuf-Kat 05:41, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm personally not even a Whitney Houston fan, but that seemed to be the opinion among many music fans. But you are right; that is irrelevant in this discussion.  --Musicpvm 05:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.