Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The State of the Union (European University Institute)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is consensus that the subject is notable, even though the article requires significant clean-up. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21talk 04:57, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

The State of the Union (European University Institute)

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Pure PR. The article has only  extensive promotional  sections of buzz-words on the importance off the problems it deal with,  and very extensive name dropping. There are almost no third party sources. If there should be sources for notability, it would need to be done over from scratch. It was just as bad when it was  accepted from AfC.  DGG ( talk ) 06:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:55, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:55, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment This may be one of the areas where "notability" and "importance" diverge. This event is likely highly important, at least to high level policy people in Europe (I am a policy analyst in the USA, but I have no connection to this event or anyone associated with it, else I wouldn't be commenting at all).  The problem is that these sorts of events tend to produce a lot of useful and important discussions, but they are rarely covered in the popular press.  These discussions are usually in policyspeak, a creole of the local language, high academia, and legalese.  Possible reliable sources might be found in various think tanks, academic journals, and possibly intellectual political periodicals.  As it currently stands, the article appears to be sourced entirely from documents produced at or for the event.
 * That being said, I did a quick Google Scholar search and found at least a few external sources reporting on the event. I found a keynote address at the event published in the International Journal of Constitutional Law, for example.  There is also this article from the College of William and Mary Law School .  I also found local coverage in the Florence Daily News .  Honestly, there's plenty of search engine hits in both Google and Google Scholar, the real difficulty is distinguishing between the many many many documents that are just the texts of speeches and pressntations to find second-party sources like newspapers and such.  It's a tricky situation, because this event has almost certainly...well, depending on your viewpoint either greatly affected stakeholder decisions in the EU that have affected hundreds of millions of people, or created excellent employment opportunities for policy analysts in the EU.  The news article from William and Mary definitely lays out the importance, it's just the difficulty of finding more sources like it. Hyperion35 (talk) 18:33, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kieran207 ( talk - Contribs ) 22:51, 16 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kieran207 ( talk - Contribs ) 01:56, 24 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kieran207 ( talk - Contribs ) 18:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per Hyperion35, while the article is very promotional, that's not the criteria for deletion, because it can be fixed. Shushugah (talk) 18:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, though it may need a rewrite or something for that promotional junk. AdoTang (talk) 20:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kieran207 ( talk - Contribs ) 01:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep, definitely delete is not an option here to fix the issues raised. The article needs heavy cleanup but can be kept. Chirota (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability as per WP:EVENT, criterion WP:GEOSCOPE:"However, events that have a demonstrable long-term impact on a significant region of the world or a significant widespread societal group are presumed to be notable enough for an article." The event has long-term impact on the EU member states since it is a major political forum. Long-term impact includes the following events: (1) in 2017 Jean-Claude Juncker, then European Commission president (the top job of the whole EU), sparked outrage from the UK when speaking French, not English, and stating that the English language is becoming less important, at the State of the Union conference. (2) Weeks before the 2019 European elections, the four top candidates to follow Juncker as Commission president had an election debate at the State of the Union event and proposed a European army from there.


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