Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Sweetener Sessions


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:59, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

The Sweetener Sessions

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WP:ROUTINE coverage only. Fails WP:NTOUR. -- wooden superman  08:25, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep I find pages and pages of ghits for this tour. NTOUR is not very clear about what *exactly* it means by 'significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources'. We certainly have multiple reliable sources. Significance is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I see absolutely no good purpose served by deleting the article; I really cannot fathom why anyone would bring this article to AfD, other than based on a pedantic deletionist reading of the rubric. By contrast, and given the huge popularity of AG, providing comprehensive details of her work seems most appropriate and useful. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * All of which are just routine. The article is just a list of tour dates and a set list.  This is WP:FANCRUFT which belongs on a fan site, not here, it isn't encyclopedic.  -- wooden  superman  12:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


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 * Keep. Short tour by notable artist, has received appropriate coverage. Besides, a redirect would be more appropriate than a deletion. This article should be expanded, not deleted. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NTOUR by a longshot as evidenced in the background section.— Mythdon  ( talk  •  contribs ) 14:48, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It doesn't remotely satisfy the guideline. It's just routine coverage.  How does this "show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience, or other such terms"?  -- wooden  superman  14:53, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you reading the right article? The background section is just five disconnected sentences of random observations and factoids about the subject. Very little of substance is said. Sergecross73   msg me  16:41, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete No discussion of style, setting, etc. For a good tour to compare see Experience + Innocence Tour, which was in a similar state, was deleted and waited for about a month after it was underway before it became an article. This is not ready yet. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:10, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, but incompleteness is not a reason to delete the article. Sure, expansion is needed, but this mini-tour received sufficient coverage, reviews, confirmation of set lists, etc. Let it snowball! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:30, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * - Can you elaborate on this at all? Just looking at the article currently, I’m inclined to agree with Walter. Can you provide some specific content addition examples that would help satisfy WP:NTOUR? Also wild incompleteness is most certainly a valid reason for merging or redirecting, which would be a very possible outcome here, considering most would probably agree it’s at least a valid search term. Sergecross73   msg me  16:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure! Some sources here:
 * https://variety.com/2018/music/news/ariana-grande-sweetener-sessions-1202917136/
 * https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8471419/ariana-grande-post-vmas-concert-nyc-recap
 * https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/sep/05/ariana-grande-review-koko-london
 * http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-ariana-grande-fan-experience-20180827-story.html
 * https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/ariana-grande-sweetener-sessions-fan-recording-phone-raindrops-tour-dates-a8511606.html
 * https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ariana-grande-details-intimate-sweetener-sessions-concerts-708392/ (announcement)
 * This is just a handful of references, but you can see performances have been reviewed by multiple WP-appropriate sources. These could be used to help flesh out the Background section, add attendance numbers, and add a Reception section. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:42, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. This was just a short series of concerts given at smaller venues, not a "concert tour" by Grande.  It should be briefly described in her main article, but I don't think it needs to be a separate article. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and doesn't need to have a separate article for every little event involving an artist. I would merge (if there is anything noteworthy that is not already mentioned in the main article) and redirect. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:57, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: I just looked at the cites in the article.  None of them even verify that the concerts took place.  They are all just announcements of a future concert. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:03, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * We're assessing all possible sourcing to determine notability, not just the handful of sources in the existing article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:06, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per above discussion. It was a scheduled concert tour by a notable singer, with adequate sources provided. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:22, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources provided by Another Believer. Aoba47 (talk) 02:51, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Every Ariana performance gets coverage in many reliable sources, that doesn't mean each and every one of them needs an article. This is not the official tour that is supporting the album, its just a set of few live performances. The 5 sentence worth of content this article provides is easily accommodated at either the album article or List of live performances by Ariana Grande.-- N Ø  08:36, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course we don't need an article for every performance, but The Sweetener Sessions was a promotional tour that received sufficient secondary coverage. No need to worry about "official" tour status or not, we base notability on coverage. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep tours for major artists are encyclopedic.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:46, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This is blatantly not the case, per WP:NOTINHERITED, and WP:NTOUR which states "A tour that meets notability standards does not make all tours associated with that artist notable". -- wooden  superman  11:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't bludgeon the process.— Mythdon ( talk  •  contribs ) 11:11, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not. Perhaps your comments would be better served addressing the questions you have been asked above.  -- wooden  superman  11:31, 1 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep sources provided push this past the WP:GNG threshold. feminist (talk) 04:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


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