Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The TV IV


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep/delete. Keep TV IV, delete the Awards. Wizardman 00:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The TV IV

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Nonnotable website, cites no independent sources. NawlinWiki (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC) Also included: As above. --Afed (talk) 16:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * IVy Awards
 * 1st Annual IVy Awards
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   —Jclemens (talk) 16:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.   —Jclemens (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge back into TV Tome. I'm looking for RS's, but haven't found any yet. Jclemens (talk) 17:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Note that per WP:NNC I prefer that if the TV IV article is kept, but the IVy awards are not, that the relevant content be merged back into the TV IV article. Jclemens (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep main article but delete (or merge) the awards articles. The main site is notable enough the awards aren't at all. Found an independent source here not the most scholarly but it is independent and somewhat expert. For notability a page is referenced here as a main topic of an entry in a major media blog (USA Today), and it is also listed in the link list on Variety's TV blog as one of only a handful of reference sites listed, most of the 40 or so links are major media blogs (link list is halfway down the right sidebar). Definitely don't merge as their is no affiliation so that would just be confusing. The article definitely needs to be expanded which I can do if deletion is decided against. Not going to waste the effort if it's just going to be deleted.--Jamaicam (talk) 21:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,    jj137   ( talk )  23:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, lifebaka++ 12:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

*Weak Delete - I cannot find any good non-trivial sourcing, but this is a difficult search term. Most of the coverage that can be found is non-RS blogging. I am open to revise this if anyone can bring forth some better coverage. Brilliantine (talk) 15:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed to WP:HEY-influenced Very Weak Keep per new PBS reference. (Of course, delete the awards) Brilliantine (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep on TV IV - was mentioned on Slashdot and per Jamaicam. Delete the awards articles, no indepedent sources to demonstrate notability.--Phirazo (talk) 13:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't feel that the sourcing provided shows that: "The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself", which is the relevant part of WP:WEB. Brilliantine (talk) 18:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I already voted above but just adding that I've updated the article including all the sources I've been able to uncover including a couple more not already listed here notably a mention in a definitely non-trivial PBS.org blog entry on wikis in which all the other mentioned wikis either have articles or have since died/merged. --Jamaicam (talk) 19:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, the PBS one is a bit better Brilliantine (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.