Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Ties That Bind (2009)


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The result was   delete. Aervanath (talk) 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The Ties That Bind (2009)

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Non-notable film. Fails WP:NF. No awards or substantial coverage. ttonyb1 (talk) 23:19, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete one minor award but I don't see any evidence that any of the criteria for notability in WP:NF are met. Drawn Some (talk) 23:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  —PC78 (talk) 15:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - no coverage in reliable sources. No independent critical reviews to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and tag for sourcing per reviews in genre-specific reliable sources that allow the film to {just) meet the criteria of WP:NF Dread Central. As for Dread Central, it was founded in 2005 and is now part of the Crave Online network of websites. They have editorial oversite with staff including Joshua Siebalt, Steve Barton, Jon Condit, Debi Moore, Paul Nomad, Andrew Kasch, Buz Wallick, Heather Wixson, Scott A. Johnson, Morgan Elektra, Joe Knetter, Dave Manack, Bill Johnson, and K.W. Low, and is itself quoted in sources such as St. Petersburg Times,Joblo.com], and Fangoria... which allow for them to be considered as reliable sources in context to what is being sourced. Not bad for a 14 minute horror short that is just now making the festval rounds Lancaster Area Film Festival, Terror Film Festival, Reel Festival for Women, Garden State Film Festival. In 2 weeks there will be more reviews. And comments: WP:NF] was not written with just-released, minor, independent, films being considered, as many of the attributes to consider refer to events which cannot happen for another 5 years. So we need fall back to WP:N and consider WP:GNG... in which case this one "just" slips in. And in reading "The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking" one sees that this allows consideration of genre-specific awards at genre-specific festivals. WP:NF lists some "major" awards, but also specifically states that "standards have not yet been established to define a major award". So using common sense, genre-specific awards, major for their genre, would qualify. Not everything is the oft praised, always hyped, and finacially lucrative Academy Awards.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - A bunch of listings that show it has made the round at some film festivals and a single review doesn't make for notability. -- Whpq (talk) 14:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If this one meets basic notability requirements of in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources, please point them out because I couldn't find them. Drawn Some (talk) 04:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
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