Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Toggery Five


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Esquivalience t 02:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

The Toggery Five

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States in the article that songs were not successful, therefore may not satisfy notability criteria for musical groups. smileguy91 Need to talk? 23:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

It also states that they were prominent in the Manchester Beat scene. Please actually read the article. Not all bands on wikipedia were successful.


 * @TheGracefulSlick (unsigned): They weren't successful, but only four sources even mention them which were referred to in the article, and two out of those four sources have exactly the same text, suggesting that they were copied from one another or from an external source. smileguy91 Need to talk? 23:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

That isn't even your argument. Your issue was with their prominence. I suggest you choose which argument you want to use. I can get more references from liner notes if that is your only issue.


 * Successful songs have more references to them in articles, etc. smileguy91 Need to talk? 02:14, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

The band recorded the first version of the #1 hit by T×he Hollies, "I'm Alive ". Is that not prominent enough for you?


 * I believe that the word "you" is used incorrectly in this situation, as we do not make decisions on my opinion, but as per WP:NOTABILITY policy. And it's only a first version; that alone shouldn't be enough to establish notability. smileguy91 Need to talk? 02:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Only? It inspired the Hollies to record it and become national hits. Many bands on here have no hits and no influence on others, yet are still on Wikipedia. Along with that, it was the starting band for members of Jethro Tull and other successful careers.


 * Keep and improve. The band was significant at the time - being given an early Keith Richards song, for example, and containing Mick Abrahams and Clive Bunker, both notable later members of Jethro Tull.   Supporting evidence is that the band has an article at Allmusic -  http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-toggery-five-mn0002142041/biography - which many musicians with WP bios lack.  The current article is somewhat blog-sourced and written in a non-encyclopedic style, with spelling errors etc., but those faults can be easily addressed.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:28, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep An influential, if not seminal, band - albeit that the members were better known for their later work. - Arjayay (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

If it is agreed my article can stay, is it ok for someone to remove the verification on the page? I won't do so without permission. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 3:46 March 1, 2015  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 00:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per 's rationale. Notability is somewhat borderline according to our usual standards for bands--no album, no charting singles--but reliable source coverage exists, the content is valuable and relevant to our understanding of the Manchester music scene, and it's not apparent that this content could be readily repurposed in some other article. So I think we're better off keeping it and improving the article. --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
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