Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Tolkien Quizbook


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The result was delete. qedk (t 桜 c) 07:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

The Tolkien Quizbook

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I can find no evidence this book passes either WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK. All of the mentions of this book that I can find are trying to sell it to me. It has a Google Books entry, but so does most everything. Hog Farm (talk) 20:09, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete This book has not been reviewed by reliable reviewers or discussed in reliable publications. Disturbingly, one of the first Google Books results is Hypnosis for Female Orgasms. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 13:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I did find a real review mentioned here (Dragon (magazine) #29  Sept., 1979). Another one appears to be in here (Mythlore > Vol. 9 (1982-1983) > No. 2 (1982)). Third one is here Science Fiction & Fantasy Book Review, #8, October 1982. Fourth at  (Library Journal [v104 #3, February 1, 1979). And fifth:  (Tolkien Studies 2014). That said, there is a problem that there are at least FOUR books named such: (1979 : Tolkien Quiz Book — Bart Andrews & Bernie Zuber, 1981 : The Tolkien Quiz Book — Nigel Robinson & Linda Wilson, 1990 : The Tolkien Quiz Book — Andrew Murray, 2001 : Tolkien trivia quiz book — William C. MacKay). Perhaps the best solution would be to make a single page about all of those books...? The first and second one may have two reviews each which is borderline enough to call them notable... Ping User:Susmuffin.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  11:20, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The article's about the Murray book, and all of the review predate it's publishing. So this subject would not have notability, and I'm unsure about combining similarly-titled but apparently unrelated books; we don't combine books with the title "Gettysburg" into one article if they aren't individually related or notable. Hog Farm (talk) 20:49, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a bunch of reviews alone do not show notability. I think we need to show some actual impact to show that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:34, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. My understanding of WP:NBOOK is that reviews do suffice: the book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. I agree the works need to meet the basic requirement of WP:SIGCOV, but a review can pass that bar. BenKuykendall (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: More than that, reviews are the first and most obvious way that books are shown to be notable. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * - Yes, reviews would suffice if they're in-depth. That issue's moot though, because the reviews  found are not actually about this book, but instead about others with similar names. Hog Farm (talk) 21:34, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. The best solution is likely to change it into a disambig, as two of the four books with similar title seem to be notable. I concur that the 4th book which the substub is about does not appear to be notable.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The topic of this article is a single book which appears to be non-notable; whether another book with the same title is notable or not is irrelevant. Before we start disambigutating, the notable quizbooks, if any, would need articles. BenKuykendall (talk) 19:32, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


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