Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Top 100 Historical Persons in Japan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

The Top 100 Historical Persons in Japan

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Non-notable, possibly copyvio. cf. Articles for deletion/200 Greatest Israelis. List articles that simply reproduce lists published elsewhere are non-notable. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously Keep, by the motives mentioned regarding many of the Greatest Britons spin-offs nominated for deletion by the same user. Rather ridiculous nomination. This TV show that got loads of attention. If doubting notability, just google the show's Japanese title ("ニッポン人が好きな偉人ベスト１００"), it generates over 30,000 results, as the show was lively discussed at the time. Just in case, I added several secondary references, and now two independent sources of the list itself have been provided. Please withdraw and do some research the next time. —Derlinus (talk) 04:56, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Response How is this obvious? How do I know that "Japan Probe" and "ejje.weblio.jp" are reliable sources? Looking for Japanese-language sources is fine, I suppose, but since I (and 99% of other readers of en.wp) cannot comprehend Japanese at all, these are marginally useful sources at most. Doing a Google search that returns something I can't understand is completely useless. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:06, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. As explained at length at the indicated AfD, there is obviously no copyvio at all.  If there were, we would have to delete (and no press could reflect) the results of Academy Award polls, and Gallup Polls, and the like.  The relevant Supreme Court case (Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service, 111 S. Ct. 1282 (1991)) is set forth at the above-indicated AfD.  See also (with the same conclusion) Articles for deletion/100 greatest Romanians and Articles for deletion/100 Greatest Britons; and note that copyvio wasn't even claimed in the failed Afd at Articles for deletion/The Greatest American.
 * I note, as well, that this appears to be part of a series of 2 dozen AfDs today by the same nom, of most of the national poll results reflected here.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. First, I note that at Articles for deletion/100 Welsh Heroes, the closer of the AfD to which the nom points objected to nom's use of his close as precedent.  He wrote: "No blanket declaration about the inherent notability of such lists was made, or even implied, in my closing statement .... And I don't know how much clearer I could have been that copyright issues were not considered as a factor in that close."


 * Second, it is clear as discussed above that there is not any copyvio. In addition, nom's last sentence is simply inapplicable.  As to notability, I agree with the other commenting editor on this page that sufficient notability has been evidenced.  I also note (as wp:otherstuffexists permits) that we have thousands of lists of people from country x (or city y, or college z), which weren't even the results of polls -- just collections that random editors chose -- and this certainly has greater indicia of notability than such lists.


 * Finally, I note that at the 2-dozen-odd AfDs that nom made of the same ilk most commentators are expressing keen disagreement with nom's parallel nominations. The AfDs, which are running concurrently with this one, can be found at most of the national poll results reflected here.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep just, as for the others.Not copyvio, as has been clearly explained above. There is no policy against these lists, and the assertion of the nom does not make policy  DGG ( talk ) 16:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note to closer, this AfD is not transcluded in the AfD Log. I am adding it now. Please consider the failure to transclude when deciding when to close this discussion. Monty  845  20:29, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Useful list article. No copyvio problems. Notable. Northamerica1000 (talk) 16:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:TVSHOW. The show aired nationally on a major television station in Japan, Nippon Television.  Such programs, regardless of actual content, are presumed likely to be notable. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 07:44, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep For reasons others have said here and in other similar articles mass deleted before. We really should just combine these.  I don't feel like copy and pasting the same bit to each one.   D r e a m Focus  18:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. notable, and what copyvio of list of israelis?Carlosiru smith (talk) 19:41, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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