Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Tossers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Keep The Tossers, what would Wikipedia do without them. (NAC) RMHED (talk) 23:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The Tossers

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 * fails WP:BAND Dlabtot (talk) 21:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Tours confer notability.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What tours? Where are the reliable sources that describe these tours? WP:BAND says: Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. Where can we read this non-trivial coverage?  Dlabtot (talk) 14:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 18:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Blows past WP:MUSIC with releases on Thick Records and Victory Records. These guys are second-tier to Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly; they've been around for so long that I never expected anyone would think to bring them here. Chubbles (talk) 21:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Surely if they are as notable as you say there must exist some reliable sources to verify that. see WP:BURDEN. Dlabtot (talk) 02:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Shrug. If you think the article lacks citations, sofixit. An encyclopedia without an article on this band isn't an encyclopedia I'd want to contribute to. Chubbles (talk) 03:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I looked for citations, and didn't find any that were independent of the subject. I tried to fix it but I dont think it is fixable therefore I nominated it for deletion. You don't seem to have read WP:BURDEN as I suggested. You certainly have the choice to not contribute to Wikipedia instead of simply adding the sources to the article that you claim exist. Since you seem to be a fan of this band, I'd respectfully submit that you are a better candidate to WP:SOFIXIT than I - since I already tried. Dlabtot (talk) 04:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If Dlabtot wants independent citations perhaps Dlabtot should try looking at The Tossers album articles.    etc. Duffbeerforme (talk) 16:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Allmusic.com is a service that lists ALL MUSIC, not just notable music. It is not a reliable source for establishing notability. See prior discussions on this topic:, ,  Dlabtot (talk) 19:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well...no. Allmusic attempts to catalog ALL MUSIC, and so has simple, machine-fed discographical information for anything sent to it. However, it only writes biographies and reviews for artists, albums, and songs it considers worthy of remark, and has published several books of such material. It is one reliable source which may be brought to bear to hurdle the WP:GNG along with other sources, but often serves as a single reliable source to verify that an artist passes one or more criteria of WP:MUSIC (which it does). I've not lifted a finger here because I believe this case to be so self-evident that it should not merit the adding of a raft of needless citations, and I am banking that the community at large could not possibly be so blind as to miss this. I don't actually much like this band at all, but I certainly recognize the value of the page. Chubbles (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't base Wikipedia articles on what editors consider to be "self-evident", we base them on citations to reliable sources. Dlabtot (talk) 16:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Those prior discussions do not back up your claim that Allmusic is not a reliable source. Duffbeerforme (talk) 01:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, I made no such claim, what I said was that it's not a reliable source for establishing notability, argued by myself and others in those discussions. Your willful mischaracterization of my comments and those discussions is discouraging. Dlabtot (talk) 03:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you trying to suggest that Allmusic is a reliable source but is not a reliable source for establishing notability? (ps your lack of good faith is discouraging) Duffbeerforme (talk) 03:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debates has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — J04n(talk page) 04:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per Chubbles – easily meets our notability guidelines. Plenty of coverage can be found:
 * Harris, Michael C. (March 10, 2004). "Feeling lucky, punk?", Chicago Tribune, p. 34.
 * Downing, Andy (October 7, 2005). "Tossers get their Irish up preserving city culture in song", Chicago Tribune, p. 22.
 * Pizek, Jeff (December 30, 2005). "The Tossers keep Irish groove, stay true to heavier side", Daily Herald, p. 8.
 * Sauer, Rachel (March 6, 2006). "Tony of The Tossers Speaks Volumes", Palm Beach Post, p. D1.
 * McGuire, Matt (May 11, 2008). "Shamrock shuffle", Chicago Tribune, p. 41.
 * ... and so on... Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 00:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you apparently have access to these sources, it would be very helpful if you'd incorporate them into the article, rather than just list them here. Dlabtot (talk) 16:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 18:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep per Chubbles and Paul Erik. Meets category 1 of WP:BAND.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.