Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Troubles in literature and popular culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  12:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

The Troubles in literature and popular culture

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"he Northern Ireland Troubles have been referenced numerous times... This article aims to provide a complete list of such works." Is this topic potentially notable? Probably. Is there anything to rescue from this iteration of WP:NOTTVTROPES? Not likely. Another mostly unreferenced list of ORish collection of mentions of topic x in random works. Fails WP:IPC, WP:GNG, WP:NLIST, WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:TRIVIA. At best, WP:TNT applies with no prejudice to anyone rewriting this at some future point from scratch. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, History, Popular culture, Lists, Ireland,  and United Kingdom. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  12:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: This list is little more than an indiscriminate collection of uncited entries. Many of them appear to be either trivial or non-notable. It needs to be destroyed to make way for a future effort. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 13:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Largely unsourced list that is even worse than simply being trivia items, because the vast majority of the entries have absolutely no context - its just a list of "things" that may or may not have mentioned the concept of The Troubles. The few items that do have any kind of information attached are the very definition of trivial (i.e. "a single episode of a long running TV program mentioned the concept"). Rorshacma (talk) 17:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete A simple listing that Category:Works about The Troubles (Northern Ireland) fulfills more comprehensively. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, yet another textbook example of WP:NOTTVTROPES (which I'm glad other editors are already citing). Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify: These kinds of lists are probably the thing I hate most on Wikipedia. Like, I have no doubt that if written as prose, this would be a notable encyclopedic entry, but it's just indiscriminate and unsourced listings. Per WP:Articles for deletion/Japanese mythology in popular culture (2nd nomination), I think it would be best to draftify, for no reason other than to serve as a baseline after TNT. Curbon7 (talk) 03:22, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This is a harmless list. I do not think the category can be more comprehensive, though it cover the same ground, because the list has several red links.  List of this kind are much better for not being cluttered with references: the place for the references is in the articles that are listed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Per MOS:POPCULT: "Cultural references about a subject should not be included simply because they exist. Rather, all such references should be discussed in at least one reliable secondary or tertiary source which specifically links the cultural item to the subject of the article. This source should cover the subject of the article in some depth; it should not be a source that merely mentions the subject's appearance in a movie, song, television show, or other cultural item." See also WP:NOTPLOT, WP:IPCV and this 2015 RFC on the topic. I find it very unlikely that most of the article's content is discussed in secondary sources.
 * Additionally, an article being WP:HARMLESS isn't a reason to keep. Cakelot1 (talk) 21:28, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * E.Xa.Ctly. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:37, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify or Delete per above. It seems like an article could probably be written on The Troubles in literature, but it would need to be a complete rewrite with likely little to none of the pressent WP:ORish list being included (deleting per WP:TNT would also be an option) Cakelot1 (talk) 21:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:IINFO. Most of the article doesn't even mention how The Troubles was referenced, let alone, establishing how those "references" are of any significance beyond WP:LISTCRUFT or WP:TRIVIA. As others have mentioned, deleting it and rewriting it from scratch is probably the way to go. Delete without prejudice to a recreation/rewrite.— Mythdon ( talk  •  contribs ) 23:59, 28 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.