Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Turn Of This Century (2012 Movie)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 00:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

The Turn Of This Century (2012 Movie)

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No assertion of notability for as-yet unreleased film. Slashme (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NFF and is a clear advert/spam from the director who's probably the article's creator too.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 14:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment --Tofc888 (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)tofc888--Tofc888 (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)  Hi, I created the article and I am involved in the project. I don't believe my involvement in the project by nature leads to any breaches of the impartiality guidelines. I posted the article because I felt it may be of interest to people and as someone with knowledge of the project I am one of the few people who could provide this article to Wikipedia users at this time.  My intention is to be partial, operate within the content guidelines for Wikipedia and contribute the article as something of value to the platform in general. I reviewed the article further in respect of the comments above and edited it further.  I have supported Wikipedia in the past and respect the platform.  I also respect the guidelines for unreleased films. The film is being released this week so I felt it appropriate to publish the page at this time.


 * Keep and incubate with no prejudice against a subsequent AFD in 6 months time. Article as it currently stands is reasonably impartial and the primary editor has declared an awareness of potential conflict of interest and an intent to avoid any breach of impartiality;  assume good faith.  I'm more concerned with the content of the "Photography" section, which appears to be more commentary on Life Magazine than on the film in question, but that's an issue for article cleanup, not AFD.Vulcan&#39;s Forge (talk) 18:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment --Tofc888 (talk) 18:53, 4 November 2012 (UTC)  Hi, I appreciate the comment directly above and respect the suggestion about the content re: The Photography section.  I have edited the article further to include a link to the Life Magazine article on Wikipedia from where I had sourced the information in replacement of including the Life Magazine commentary within the body of the subject article - I was in the process of learning how to cite the source so apologies for not having the source properly referenced when I published the article.   Seems like the link to the Life Magazine page is more inline with Wikipedia articles.  Thanks for the advice on point.


 * Comment The one issue that stands out to me is its lack of reliable references/sources that establish its notability. Once secondary sources are added to the page that establish notability according toWP:GNG I would vote to keep.Righteousskills (talk) 00:10, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:14, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - No coverage in any reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 17:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment --Tofc888 (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC) appreciating the guidelines for films include third party coverage I see other entertainment projects like History Channel's "Mankind, The Story of All of Us" published in advance of release and without independent coverage.  The external links provided for that article include self created website listing and IMDB listing which is again largely a self created source.  Personally, I like being able to access the information about Mankind on Wikipedia and I am sure I will be interested in continuing to see how the article evolves over time on Wikipedia.  As our project is just launching and has not yet been seen the most notable fact is that it is the first film of its kind made entirely with still photography that features the iconic photography of Life Magazine. In a similar style, Mankind, The Story of All of Us notes their series is narrated by Josh Brolin - other than that the article appears simply informative that the series is launching on Nov 13/12 on History Channel.  I do appreciate the notoriety guidelines serve a purpose and also submit the particulars of The Turn Of This Century satisfy some of those requirements although I must acknowledge we do not yet have third party coverage.  Thnx again to all.
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 04:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)




 * Delete - surely this fails WP:CRYSTAL as it is unreleased at the very least? Completely unsourced anywhere, the only evidence it exists at all is a YouTube trailer. Lukeno94 (talk) 09:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm concerned about the clear conflict of interest suggested by the sole author's username. --Slashme (talk) 08:27, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply - The author of the article has declared their conflict of interest earlier in this AFD. The article is not overtly worded in a promotional manner.  Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines discourages but does not prohibit COI editting.  So as far as AFD is concerned, I don't think the COI is a reason for deletion.  Of more concern from a deletion standpoint is the complete lack of any sourcing in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 14:52, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - --Tofc888 (talk) 00:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC) - all valid points about the articles shortcomings. Project launch is imminent FYI.  Hope to have lots of outside reviews but of course at this time we don't have any.  Possibly of relevance on point - there is an article published on Wikipedia about the films composer,  Robert MIles.  Robert is a very noteworthy and accomplished artist.  The article about Robert does include an "unsolicited" small reference to his involvement in our film. thnx much to all.
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