Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Ultimate Book of Hockey Trivia for Kids


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The result was keep. I'm mystified by the whole sockpuppet thing. Why would somebody create a sock to nominate their own article for deletion? I can only assume random vandalism, and am thus inclined to completely ignore the nom's arguments. If somebody still feels this should be deleted, feel free to start a new discussion unfettered by the sock sillyness. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

The Ultimate Book of Hockey Trivia for Kids

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 * This article does not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline, as it does not cite any third-party sources Yaxollum (talk) 18:43, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Striking AfD nomination. The nominator was blocked as a sockpuppet of the article's creator. Cunard (talk) 08:37, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Notability (books) says: "A book is notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book." The Ultimate Book of Hockey Trivia for Kids is a compilation of three previously published books: Hockey Trivia for Kids, Hockey Trivia for Kids 2, and Hockey Trivia for Kids 3: Stanley Cup Edition. Here are three reviews about the compilation itself, followed by reviews of each of the three previously published books that make up the compilation: Reviews for The Ultimate Book of Hockey Trivia for Kids:   Dave Jenkinson is the Professor Emeritus of the Faculty of Education at the University of Manitoba. <li> </li> </li></ol> <li>Reviews for Hockey Trivia for Kids:<ol> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol></li> <li>Reviews for Hockey Trivia for Kids 2:<ol> <li></li> <li></li> </ol></li> <li>Reviews for Hockey Trivia for Kids 3: Stanley Cup Edition<ol> <li></li> <li></li> </ol></li> </ol>

<ol> <li>Reviews for The Ultimate Book of Hockey Trivia for Kids:<ol> <li> The review notes: "This book combines three previously published books of hockey trivia by Eric Zweig - Hockey Trivia for Kids, Hockey Trivia for Kids 2, and Hockey Trivia for Kids 3 - all of which have been reviewed in Resource Links. Now we have all that trivia contained in 375 pages in one volume. Using large bold headings and short text articles, interspersed with photographs and illustrations, Zweig brings us all kinds of trivia about hockey in North America from the early days up to the present. “Did you Know” boxes add more trivia, “By the Numbers” boxes gives all kinds of statistical information, and “Name Game” sweaters give the origins of the names of the NHL teams. There is no table of contents or index in this book, thus making it a little difficult if looking for specific information, however, most readers will enjoy it for the trivia aspect rather than as a reference tool. This book is sure to be a hit with all hockey fans, not just kids. I doubt that it will spend much time on a shelf so multiple copies might be advised for school and public libraries. It will also be a good personal choice for hockey enthusiasts."</li> <li> Dave Jenkinson is the Professor Emeritus of the Faculty of Education at the University of Manitoba. The review notes: "While The Ultimate Book of Hockey Trivia for Kids is a “new” book, its contents are not “new”. Instead, Zweig’s most recent offering is a compilation of three earlier books he produced: Hockey Trivia for Kids, Hockey Trivia for Kids 2, and Hockey Trivia for Kids 3: Stanley Cup Edition. Because most of the trivia Zweig has assembled is about hockey happenings in the past, the contents of this “new” book have “aged” well. Libraries who don’t own the original three books will definitely want to add The Ultimate Book of Hockey Trivia for Kids to their collections. The volume would also make a terrific purchase by hockey aficionados, whether child or adult."</li> <li> The review notes: "This giant collection of hockey trivia is full of all the fun and fascinating facts every ultimate hockey fan needs to know! What’s the story behind some of hockey’s most famous names? And just what kind of shenanigans does the Cup get into? A compilation of Hockey Trivia for Kids, Hockey Trivia for Kids 2, Hockey Trivia for Kids 3: The Stanley Cup Edition and On This Day in Hockey."</li> </li></ol> <li>Reviews for Hockey Trivia for Kids:<ol> <li> The review notes: "This book has a varied and interesting collection of facts. It is clearly written and well laid out with a diverse array of pictures and illustrations. The illustrations (by Scholastic) are amusing, even if slightly generic. ... Hockey Trivia for Kids will appeal to a wide audience, from the ‘I like hockey and know nothing about it’ to the ‘I like hockey and already know many things about it but want to know more.’ It informs without condescension. The keenest hockey trivia buff will doubtless outgrow this compendium quite quickly, but it is certainly a good place to start."</li> <li> The review notes: "Young hockey enthusiasts will delight in this fact-filled trivia book about Canada's favourite pastime. Each page is ruled with information opening the reader's eyes to the degree hockey has permeated the Canadian psyche and culture. Eric Zweig begins the text sharing his love of the game and how it has shaped his reading life. He then demonstrates how others must concur with his opinion by detailing the hockey trivia contained on our 'multi-coloured' five dollar bill. Trivia readers will love reading the history of Lord Stanley's Cup and the interesting situations the cup has found itself in throughout the years. They will gain answers as to: Why are octopi thrown onto the ice at Red Wing games? How many pucks does it take to get through a National Hockey League Game? Which goalie was really the first to wear a mask? These and many other hockey statistics and capers are depicted in a 'did you know' format. Black and white pencil sketches and photos are also included further expanding the rich history of hockey. In additional, the large headlines and charts help to present the information in an easy to read format that early and/or challenged readers would find manageable. This book would make a great addition to a school and/or classroom library."</li> <li> The review notes: "Hockey Trivia for Kids, on the other hand, contains none of the flash and flair of Hockey Superstars. What it does contain is page after page of fascinating trivia for the true hockey geek (and remember, in Canada, that term is not taken as an insult by a sizable number of young fans.) Hockey historian Eric Zweig has clearly put a great deal of time into mining such sources as Toronto’s Hockey Hall of Fame. He has come up with the perfect blend of factoids everybody should know (Bill Barilko’s death and the discovery of his remains, Mike Bossy’s 50-goals-in-50-games season) as well as downright bizarre, I-never-knew-that tales such as the one about the players who killed a rat in the dressing room and the time Guy Lafleur swiped the Stanley Cup and took it to his parents’ house. Although it is billed as a trivia title, this is not a question-and-answer book, but rather a collection of Zweig’s many fascinating snippets, most of them accompanied by funny black-and-white illustrations or photos. While this presentation makes Hockey Trivia for Kids as different from Hockey Superstars as it can be, it will be no less successful in holding the interest of the thousands of young fans who love pro hockey."</li> </ol></li> <li>Reviews for Hockey Trivia for Kids 2:<ol> <li> The review notes: "Two years have elapsed since sports writer Zweig produced his first collection of hockey facts, Hockey Trivia for Kids. See: CM, Vol. 13, No. 12, February 2, 2007. His second volume provides more of this “useless” information that young hockey afficionados love to trot out to demonstrate their hockey knowledge. While the word “hockey” in the title should be understood to largely mean the male-dominated National Hockey League, Zweig does include four entries that address women’s contributions to the sport. Zweig largely avoids retelling already well-known bits of hockey history and lore. The entries represent both the contemporary and historical NHL. Although Hockey Trivia for Kids 2 has no discernable organizational structure, four headings do reappear numerous times throughout the book: “Did You Know?”; “Cup Chronicles”; “By the Numbers”; and “Name Game.”"</li> <li> The review notes: "Fun and interesting facts about HOCKEY that will fulfill any young persons’ desire for more hockey trivia. Lacking a table of contents or index this is meant to be what the title indicates - trivia, sure to satisfy hockey fans. Also available in French. See p. 52."</li> </ol></li> <li>Reviews for Hockey Trivia for Kids 3: Stanley Cup Edition:<ol> <li> The review notes: "Don’t let the “For Kids” portion of the title fool you. “Big” kids, aka adults, will also enjoy the third iteration of Eric Zweig’s Hockey Trivia for Kids, with the first two volumes having appeared in 2006 (CM, Vol. XIII, No. 12, February 2, 2007) and 2008 (CM, Vol. XV, No. 4, October 10, 2008). What differentiates this third volume from the previous two is that it focuses entirely on facts, trivia and anecdotes that relate to the Stanley Cup, professional hockey’s ultimate prize and the oldest trophy competed for by professional athletes in North America. Donated in 1892 by Frederick Arthur Stanley, aka Lord Stanley of Preston, who was the Governor General of Canada from 1888-1893, the Cup became permanently associated with the National Hockey League in 1927. ... Sure to be popular with hockey fans of all ages and reading abilities, the Stanley Cup Edition of Hockey Trivia for Kids 3 is a good library and individual purchase."</li> <li> The review notes: "Eric Zweig’s Hockey Trivia for Kids 3 of-fers young readers insight into the adventurous life of the coveted Stanley Cup. Zweig includes an historical overview of the Stanley Cup and not only describes the Stanley Cups’ origin and “growing pains” as a result of numerous names being added to its bands; but also offers readers a glimpse of how the cup has travelled throughout the world. The Stanley Cup was even used as a dish for various foods including popcorn, ice cream, cake and perogies! Throughout the book the Cup’s status as the ultimate hockey prize is demonstrated in detailed descriptions of hockey traditions and player anecdotes. Photographs add historical value to the text, while Bill Dickson’s illustrations serve as delightful caricatures of hockey players and celebrities. Headings mark the beginning of each trivia or anecdote while sections such as “By the numbers” and “Did you know?” provide additional factual information. As this book offers text in both short and long passages it is an ideal book for reluctant readers or group activities. Also available in French. See p. 54."</li> </ol></li> </ol>

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow The Ultimate Book of Hockey Trivia for Kids to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * I added these sources to the article which I've expanded. Cunard (talk) 08:37, 28 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: Pinging the article's creator: . Cunard (talk) 10:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * delete Nowhere near WP:N. Listing in catalogues isn't anything like what we need for secondary coverage. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:41, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - some of these reviews are kind of sketchy, saying little more than that this book is an amalgamation from other books, but some of the reviews are substantive so the subject seems to meet the notability criteria for books. Rlendog (talk) 16:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:BOOKCRIT item #1 is a very low bar, and this passes it. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 07:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)


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