Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Ultimate Fighter 15 Finale (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to The Ultimate Fighter: Live. ‑Scottywong | prattle _ 16:03, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

The Ultimate Fighter 15 Finale
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This yet to happen sports event fails WP:FUTURE, a whole range of WP notability guidelines (WP:EVENT, WP:SPORTSEVENT and WP:MMAEVENT). It is currently only sourced to either to UFC's own website or specialist MMA web sources, there is no indication that the coverage that this event will get will be nothing more than the routine type all professional sports events get and as a result this fails the WP:NOTNEWSPAPER policy because it fails to demonstrate why or how it will have any enduring notability as an event. It therefore can, and is, more than adequately covered in 2012 in UFC events. It also Fails WP:IRS as it is sourced completely from MMA Fansites. Because of these issues it also has problems with CONTINUING COVERAGE, WP:RECENT,ETC Newmanoconnor (talk) 18:46, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. TreyGeek (talk) 03:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete This is just one in a series of routine sports events that only gets routine sport news coverage of the type all professional sports gets. I know that fans don't like it but it is WP current policy (see WP:NOT) not to cover such events. Mt king  (edits)  00:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete Mtking does not like UFC and I think we should all do what he or she says. Portillo (talk) 07:18, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete The article appears to contain only routine news reporting on things like [fight] announcements, sports [results]. Of the three sources two are from the UFC and one is from MMA related media which is does not appear to comply with WP:GNG and its request of sources that are "independent of the subject".  Finally, the article contains practically no prose and does not contain sufficient explanatory text to put statistics within the article in their proper context for a general reader.  --TreyGeek (talk) 05:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Keep There are articles for every UFC event going back to UFC 1. I have no idea why this article is nominated for deletion; someone obviously has a vendetta against the UFC. Courier00 (talk) 16:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge with The Ultimate Fighter: Live. While I think that mostly all UFC events are notable with lasting effects and coverage from the UFC, ESPN, Bodog, and many other sources per WP:MMAEVENT, I think that TUF Finales should reside within the season's respective pages. These events are generally non-notable despite the media coverage. Rarely do these events have title fights, determine number 1 contenders, or anything of significance beyond awarding the show's contract. The point of these events in the first place is to televise less prominent fights, headliners here would most likely be dark bouts at other events. That's why they're also held in smaller venues which generally hold less than 2,500 people. I recall that including finales in the season's page generally was the practice until the past couple years. For instance, The Ultimate Fighter 1 Finale was created 4 years after the event actually happened. I realize that TUF:Live could be interpreted as being different from other seasons -- and it is -- but considering the venue for the finale is the same as last few seasons, I don't anticipate this being any different.
 * I acknowledge that there is an obvious mass deletion effort of MMA event pages that may be retaliation for talks not going favorably on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/MMA notability as has been mentioned in deletion discussions for UFC 147 and 148. Despite this, under the existing advise of WP:MMANOT I still think TUF finale pages don't stand well on their own as separate articles. -- NINTENDUDE 64 15:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge into The Ultimate Fighter: Live This is the last episode of the season and should be kept with the rest of the season's article. Astudent0 (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge into The Ultimate Fighter: Live I see no reason why this shouldn't be part of the article on the rest of the season. There's nothing to show it's notable on its own. Papaursa (talk) 03:16, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge into The Ultimate Fighter: Live This seems pretty obvious to me. There's not enough for an individual article, but it would be foolish to delete the content.  It belongs in the season's article. Mdtemp (talk) 15:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per WP:COMMONSENSE. The deletes on these UFC related articles are WP:IDONTLIKEIT or perhaps better yet "I don't know anything about it so I won't follow WP:BEFORE. Just about all UFC events are covered in the mainstream press, USA Today, Yahoo Sports, Sports Illustrated, etc. The Pay-Per-View events feature title fights and number one contender fights. They involve notable fighters. They are watched by an international audience of hundreds of thousands if not millions. They do not occur on a daily, or weekly basis, as with other sports' seasons. Deleting this article makes Wikipedia less useful as a reference guide. These nominations are essentially disruptive vandalism of this project as they waste our time and flood the encyclopedia with these silly and unnecessary discussions rather than articles that are at least helpful for someone. --24.112.202.78 (talk) 16:00, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
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