Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The University Computer Club


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The result was  d elete. - Mailer Diablo 10:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The University Computer Club

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Initially prodded for deletion as a non-notable club, the original concern was:If there is a cite for actually being the first [organised personal computer user group in the world], then it should be kept. An additional reference was added here and the prod tag removed; however, I believe it is a primary source that really doesn't satisfy the original prod concern. A quick search yielded no secondary sources to support the claims of notability in the article. UnfriendlyFire 00:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for speciousness. It claims to be the first organised personal computer user group in the world, yet there is no verification given for this claim. Additionally, the term 'personal computer' may not have been in use in 1974, at the club's inception, as the MITS Altair 8800 of 1975 is arguably the world's first true PC. Eddie.willers 05:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I won't vote, because I haven't looked for sources, but this is clearly a case that I believe shows the importance of sources. Sources related to the subject are entirely acceptable, but not to determine notability (establishing if they are indeed the first). - Mgm|(talk) 11:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * DavydMadeley: I think the person personal is a misnomer. The club was founded in 1974, as its own records will attest. The first computer owned by the club was an Alpha Micro AM1000, but before that the club was formed to get time on the University's PDP-6 (the first PDP-6 sold outside of DEC: http://www.ultimate.com/phil/pdp10/pdp6-serials). The club has had a long and rich history in Western Australian computing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk) . — 203.56.15.217 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * We haven't as yet found good sources to back the claim to be the first personal computer club in the world. However, we have evidence of the club's significant contribution to the Western Australian computing community from 1974 - extremely early for a computing club, and before computing facilities were available to the public - onwards. Our silver jubilee award and other documentation as to club projects on do exist and could be scanned to provide veracity as to the club's significance. After such efforts would the article be suited for inclusion, or should we just back this article up and move it to another site? I also take issue with the club history not being "credible", as it was prepared at the club's expense by an academic, albeit one with association to the club. Grahame 17:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Grahame, unfortunately he is not independent in this matter, regardless of his credibility in his own field. It is primary sourced material which cannot lend weight to claims regarding notability. It would be original research to review sufficient Computer Club histories to categorically say, this one is the oldest one remaining in existence. If someone independent of this club does that research then we have independent works which establish notability.Garrie 04:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions.  -- Noroton 15:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:ATT. No independent sources given, no sources for their claims.  RGTraynor 20:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, no nontrivial independent reliable sources. --Butseriouslyfolks 06:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Lack of independent sources. Unfortunately - the clubs' own records don't lend weight to notability, independent coverage does. Garrie 04:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions.   -- Garrie 04:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


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