Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Unsung Heroes (Band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Consensus that this is a non-notable band ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 12:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

The Unsung Heroes (Band)

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A band that does not seem to meet the requirements of WP:NBAND. Although the page appears to be sourced, upon looking at the references, I've found that the only one that is actually a legitimate source is not even about this band, rather its a review of a different band that happens to share a member with this one. The other sources are only Youtube links, and shops where you can buy the music. I have been unable to find any other reliable source to replace these. I initially tagged this for Speedy Deletion, however that was declined due to the reviewing admin stating that its media references was a claim of notability. However, its important to note that its only airtime has been on BBC Tees, which is only a local affiliate of BBC radio that is only broadcast is certain parts of England, and the requirement at WP:NBAND is that they must be placed on rotation on a national scale. Its only other claim to fame is headlining a music festival. However, researching that particular music festival gives me nothing except for listings on standard upcoming event-style sites, and thus I'm led to believe that the festival is a relatively minor and unnotable event itself, thus this band's participation in it does not help establish notability. Rorshacma (talk) 16:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Which of these can be used as sources

http://lyricsjunction.com/lyrics/the-unsung-heroes/thats-reality/ http://www.indiependude.com/2012/04/check-out-unsung-heroes-single-out.html http://www.208records.co.uk/ thenorthernline.com/2012/04/04/stockton-calling-2012-2/ http://www.thisisstockton.co.uk/whatson/The-Unsung-Heroes.asp http://www.teesmusicscene.co.uk/review-unsung-heroes/

please help improve this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollyroouk (talk • contribs) 17:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Hmm, of those, only the last has any chance of being counted as a reliable source, and even that is rather iffy since it seems to be purely local coverage. The other types of links (lyric pages, show listings, unnotable blogs) never count as reliable sources.  Rorshacma (talk) 17:20, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

How/When will consideration be removed from article? 31.83.206.181 (talk) 22:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

How many sources will the article need??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.78.156.177 (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi i have corrected sources and still researching can the consideration for deletion be removed??

Hollyroouk (talk) 08:56, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The discussion will run for one week when an administrator will judge the consensus and either keep or delete the article. QU TalkQu 21:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment The Unsung Heroes (band) was repeatedly speedy deleted (see log) and was therefore creation protected as a result. Hollyroouk is therefore clearly a sockpuppet of User201212, see Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of User201212 and the creation of the article under that title is clearly an attempt at block evasion. Valenciano (talk) 13:25, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, fails WP:BAND - no substantial coverage by third party sources. -Cntras (talk) 13:37, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Comprehensively fails the General notability guidelines and fails to fulfill any of the alternative notability criteria at WP:BAND. Not surprising since this group's one and only single was released two weeks ago. No doubt the WP article is part of its internet marketing campaign. Review of available sources:
 * [Doesn't mention the band at all, passing mention of one of its members in a review of another band]
 * [Doesn't mention the band at all. Passing mention of the DJ who allegedly played the band's single on Beatwolf Radio three years later.]
 * [Local website run by journalism students ]
 * Voceditenore (talk) 14:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note the "chart" which the band's single has entered was deceptively decribed in the article as Indiependent Music Charts (piped to UKChartsPlus). However, the reference given is to a download site called "International Independent Charts", which only rates recordings which are marketed on their site and has nothing to do with UKChartsPlus. Voceditenore (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Although the above information states violations I can assure this wasn't intended to decieve the reader, I am in no way connected to this band but have an interest in new established acts and labels. I'm a music lover not a pr puppet "otherwise I'd be on some kind of payroll"


 * I do realise this article lacks sources but I was hoping to expand this over time along with other contributors.


 * 213.205.232.28 (talk) 06:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The deceptive chart information was added by 82.16.89.51, not you, unless you are the same person editing under a different IP. Incidentally, your IP is very similar to 213.205.233.220 and 213.205.232.220, both of which have been blocked per this Sockpuppet Investigation, along with several other registered users. If you are one of the registered users who was blocked, you should not be editing under an IP to evade your block. In any case, this AfD will be decided purely on evidence of notability (or lack thereof), not on questions of conflict of interest or sockpuppet shenanigans. Voceditenore (talk) 08:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I am really confused about all of this, I know that i shouldn’t have created multiple accounts and realise this was against Wikipedia policy and shouldn’t have evaded this. I this indefinite block of my IP this I feel is quiet unfair

I am an independent person to this contribution The Unsung Heroes (Band) it is extremely hard to find sources because of their Band name. I should have checked that before I created this and choice a band more easily notable to create my first article. I am an English media Student at Newcastle University and felt that this would be good practice for me to gain some real life experience. I have seen this band perform once at Northumbria University but have no connection to them. I thought with this band being quite hard to search for this would be a good information page “NOT in any way a promotional tool for them. I would like to expand my contribution to this article but would recommend for it to be kept as a UK-band Stub with the minimal information until more can be verified, although at this moment I cant fully prove their notability this band are really under the radar and more notability will be inevitably added soon. 212.183.128.216 (talk) 22:12, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Can i also add The Unsung Heroes played with The View on the 10th June and are again on the 28th June. I found this information on 208 Records website http://www.208records.co.uk/

Also found this article in Leed Music Scene http://www.leedsmusicscene.net/article/10311/

And an interview http://www.chunechat.com/the-unsung-heroes.html

212.183.128.216 (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Chunechat has a blog like feel about it and besides that, says: "This is a website where we encourage artists, bands, singer/songwriters, etc., to showcase their work. Any music is welcomed from classical to country to heavy rock." Even if it were a reliable source (which I strongly doubt) they don't seem very choosy about who they include. The Leeds site also seems to be blog/fanzine style. I'd be looking for better sources, for example newspaper reports of this band, to establish notability. If sufficient sources don't exist then I'm afraid we can't just keep this article lying around as a stub on the offchance that the band may become famous per WP:UPANDCOMING. Valenciano (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Off topic message for 212.183.128.216 Normally this doesn't belong in an AfD, but since your IP keeps changing, a user talk page communication is impossible. If you are a registered user who has been blocked, you may not evade your block this way. All edits by sockpuppets and IPs used for block evasion can be reverted on sight. You say "I know that i shouldn’t have created multiple accounts". How many did you create? My advice to you is to go back to your original account and sign in with your original user name. Then go to your talk page, which you will still be able to edit even if you are blocked and appeal your block. You do this by adding    to the bottom of your talk page. Read Guide to appealing blocks first. Voceditenore (talk) 23:48, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. The latest two sources are poor quality and do nothing to attest to the subject's notability. Leedsmusicscene.net allows bands to publish their profiles and fan reviews . The "article" is simply a press release. It is also virtually identical to the wording in the WP article of this version. Chunechat.com is little better, a local amateur self-published site. You need to read Reliable sources and really take that guidance on board. You also need to read WP:BAND which explains the notability criteria we use here. This band does not pass a single one of them. That is why you are having a hard time finding coverage. We do not keep articles while we wait for a subject to become notable (if ever). We publish articles on subjects which already are notable. No "emerging" artists—only those who have emerged, so much so that they are receiving significant coverage in multiple reliable sources beyond their hometown. There's plenty of time later to publish an article about them when they've finally made it, but until then, this is not the place for an article about them. Voceditenore (talk) 00:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok I have removed any unsourced information from The Unsung Heroes (Band) because it was a mistake and should have been written I was just trying to expand the article to soon. This page is up for deletion and I am trying to help the chances of this being kept, The Unsung Heroes announced on their social networking sites their single is being used in Germany for a high profile tv advert. This this article was maybe created a little soon before this band can be fully notable. Their drummer was a member of another 208 Records band The Master Colony do these facts not be taken into consideration??

Also why hasn't the page been removed or discussion closed??? 2.219.78.25 (talk) 23:10, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Discussions are normally closed after 7 days. Sometimes they're left a bit longer, depending on admin workload.. It will eventually be closed. But please do not remove the AfD template from the article. It will be removed by the editor who closes the discussion. Voceditenore (talk) 17:19, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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