Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Vegan flag


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Veganism. Selective merge. I'll leave it up to whoever does the merge how much material to bring over. In any case, leave a redirect behind. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:05, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Vegan flag

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Fails WP:GNG. Alexbrn (talk) 12:20, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect/Delete - On balance, and studying the availability of sources, I think this perhaps WP:TOOSOON. The design and launch has been mentioned in a few Vegan-orientated blogs and news sites (http://www.veganfoodandliving.com/international-vegan-flag-launched/, http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=9771&catId=1 , http://modvegan.com/vegan-flag/ , http://www.livekindly.co/the-vegan-flag/) and a NZ website as they're a bit miffed that the flag closely resembles an existing local one (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/national/94639332/First-vegans-came-for-red-meat-now-they-re-coming-for-Red-Peak). But there is no sign of wider coverage in WP:RSs as yet. It's only been a couple of weeks since the launch. Perhaps this will in time become as ubiquitous as the LGBT flag, in which case it will definitely warrant an article. But for now it just seems too early to tell whether this will become a prominent symbol, or fade into obscurity. As a compromise, why not redirect for now to Veganism, where there is already a section on "Symbols" with the flag mentioned there. If the flag becomes more widely reported on and mentioned, it can be expanded back out into its own article. 77.96.115.80 (talk) 13:17, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.   FITINDIA   13:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep because WP:ILIKEIT, but yes, probably too soon, so Merge (EDIT: same day, 45 minutes or so later: Although sources are being quickly added, so will keep checking on those). The author of the page should keep an eye out for good sources, when a couple good ones show up, or if this is covered on cable news, regular network news, or becomes more widely accepted within the vegan-vegetarian-animal rights groups, please come back and ask for the page to be brought back from wherever deleted pages go, and try again. Sources will be key on a page like this, as editors will be watching. Thanks for the initial start-up, a good topic (although it would be nice if this was also called the 'vegetarian flag' as well as vegan). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:57, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note - Page has been moved to Vegan flag. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 14:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:GNG and WP:TOOSOON. Is there a flag for everything nowadays? sixty nine   • speak up •  14:59, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If the flag articles have the sources. This one is getting some further sources as this discussion takes place, so it may pass that hurdle soon. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:03, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:36, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The flag is indeed relatively new but the recognition and acceptance of the flag around the world is exceptionally quick. Things move faster these days because of the social media. Some of the references are in the article, and I have seen many more on Facebook from over twenty countries. Yesterday I saw by chance an interview on the BBC with Tim Shieff - he was wearing the Vegan Flag. Shieff is a well known animal rights activist, so the flag is spreading real fast.
 * When things happen so fast it's a pity to delete an article in haste, only to realize shortly afterwards that it was not justified. Let's wait a bit and see PelicanTwo (talk) 06:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ehh, speedy pace of things not withstanding, that still boils down to a WP:CRYSTAL argument. The truth is, like any topic for which upcoming sourcing is speculative, we don't know when or if RS will surface. But your argument is perhaps sufficient to retain some of the content in a merge (see below).  S n o w  let's rap 02:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge into a relevant article(s) on veganism and/or vegan activism. There are some incidental mentions in secondary sourcing, but their dubious status as WP:RS, their niche audience, and the general superficiality of the coverage in general suggests to me that WP:GNG is not really being met here.  That said, some of the content probably could find a home in other articles, until such time as coverage in reliable sources ha e been established, after which the article could be reconstituted. WP:TOOSOON does seem like the right call here.  S n o w  let's rap 00:24, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Merging is not an ideal option in this case, because the notability of the flag dynamic and once it is merged with something else it is buried there, and it will be hard to pluck it out. Even if in a few months the flag will definitely merit its own article. It's tricky to show the acceptance of a symbol. Obviously there is no statistics, and most of the activity may be on Facebook and doesn't appear in Google. There are many articles about the flag in Portugues, Spanish, Russian, French, from India, in Italian, from Tawian etc. But the marketplace may serve as an indicator. There is a lot of merchandising based on the design, manufactured by quick merchants. This can't be used in the article though. Here are some of the items on offer: T shirts, handbags, pendents from AliExpress (url is blocked by wiki), badges, buttons,wrapping paper, and dresses. I was most surprised by the wrapping paper :-)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PelicanTwo (talk • contribs) 15:54, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe that is an indicator of what is to come in terms of reliable sources, but (as you allude to yourself) all of that evidence is WP:OR and not useful for establishing notability for our purposes here. But I'm a little confused as to why you think a selective merge in the meantime (as opposed to a simple delete) is problematic.  Provided that sourcing does eventually arise to justify the article, then there will be no difficulty in adding the content back in.  The only difference between a merge and a delete here is whether we keep a (probably pretty minimal) mention of the flag in another vegan article or two, pending the independent article being revived.  S n o w  let's rap 02:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment One of the contributors to this article also created vegan-film-stub and (which is also up for deletion). Fortdj33 (talk) 19:29, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Vegan symbolism, with or without re-establishing that as an independent page.
 * The subject fails GNG for having no in-depth sources. The veg*n-targeting media cited are not inherently unreliable, but given that controversy exists about this symbol, the fact that they're all reworkings of the same press release means that none of them qualifies as sufficiently "in-depth" to support a reasonably useful and NPOV article. The stuff.co.nz article is unreliable and uninformative.


 * I'd actually support moving this to Vegan symbolism, which was merged into Veganism recently without consensus. In my opinion, this created an unduly detailed subsection; there have been hundreds of books published about Veganism and Veganism, compared with a few blog mentions of most (supposedly) vegan-associated symbols. Pinging User:KDS4444 in case he wants to weigh in. FourViolas (talk) 06:20, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge was admittedly performed without consensus— Vegan symbolism had been recently created and the need for a merge seemed obvious to me, but I would not oppose the recreation of the symbolism article if the flag article were to be incorporated into it and if a standalone article on Vegan symbolism seemed justified to others. Separate articles on the movements and the symbols of the movements do seem redundant to me if the article on the movement itself is not overly long.  If the section on Vegan symbolism within Veganism is overly detailed, perhaps that section should be curtailed instead of a return to a standalone article (?).  But thank you for the ping.  KDS4444 (talk) 19:14, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Selective Merge to Veganism § Flag. The topic has received some coverage, such as this, but not finding enough coverage to qualify a standalone article. North America1000 16:47, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.