Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Very Secret Diaries (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:21, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

The Very Secret Diaries
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Non-notable fanfiction; fails WP:WEB. I understand this may be one of the most well-known pieces of fanfiction - certainly, it seems to be the only one with a Wikipedia article - but nonetheless I don't believe it passes our inclusion guidelines. While it has been mentioned in reliable sources, the only coverage is trivial: see, and. It is also apparently included in the documentary Ringers: Lord of the Fans, but I don't think that's enough for notability. Currently, it has a brief mention in the Lord of the Rings article; that seems fine, but there isn't enough coverage to justify a separate article. (I note it was previously kept at AfD, but that was back in 2005, and our standards have changed a lot since then.) Robofish (talk) 01:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete In 2005 WP:GHITS was used to justify notability. All that has been shown since is trivial. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:33, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Dear lord, delete then, delete now, delete, delete delete. God, I feel old. RasputinAXP  01:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep; the coverage is thin but sufficient.--Prosfilaes (talk) 06:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? By what standards? Tarc (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete notability not up to standards currently required by project. -- Nashville Monkey  talk  --  07:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC) *Not getting involved in personal crusade, notability is actually there. Not enough for it's own article, but nominator won't let mention of it be on author's bio-page either. --  Nashville Monkey  talk  --  07:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Correction of self - nominator is not blocking addition of this particular article, just mention of the fact that the author in question wrote fanfic. Sorry, my mistake, I'll go away now. -- Nashville Monkey  talk  --  08:03, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You're correct, I have been trying to keep mention of this fanfic out of the Cassandra Clare article, because there isn't a single reliable source that asserts that they were written by that author. (Or, there wasn't until recently - the Italian-language link I posted above might qualify.) But that's not why I've nominated this article for deletion; after considering it, I simply don't think it meets our notability guidelines in any event. Robofish (talk) 01:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - A simple failure of WP:GNG (theage and the telegraph are trivial, brief mentions). WP:NBOOK doesn't rescue this either, as none of its 5 criteria are met. Tarc (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
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