Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Wanderers (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 11:28, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

The Wanderers (band)

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Article about a band, not reliably sourced as meeting any notability criterion. This shoots for NMUSIC #6, "two or more independently notable members", but it misses: it had one independently notable member, and a bunch of members who were previously associated with a notable band but did not establish any independent notability for the purposes of getting their own standalone biographies as individuals. And other than that, they accomplished nothing else significant enough to pass any other NMUSIC criterion at all -- and the only "references" here are an unreliable website about a person who was the conceptual subject of their sole album, and the album's own liner notes. At best they warrant a short mention in the article about Stiv Bators, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough, or referenced well enough, for them to get their own standalone article as a separate topic from Bators himself. Bearcat (talk) 00:20, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 01:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 01:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. allmusic bio . Reviewed in Sounds, allmusic, Record Mirror and Trouser Press. duffbeerforme (talk) 04:23, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Satisfies notability guidelines easily (there's also coverage in Goldmine, The Encyclopedia of Popular Music, and Phoenix New Times), but apart from that it was basically Sham 69 with Jimmy Pursey replaced by Stiv Bators, so deletion is simply a non-starter. --Michig (talk) 07:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The NMUSIC criterion that bases notability on the identities of the members requires two or more members who are independently notable as individuals — NMUSIC #6 doesn't count how many members were in a more notable band before this one, it counts how many members have their own standalone articles as individuals separate from any band they were or weren't in. So no, deletion is not "simply" a non-starter just because it was "basically Sham 69 with Jimmy Pursey replaced by Stiv Bators" — Bators is the only person here who counts toward NMUSIC #6 at all, and one person isn't enough. Bearcat (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * NMUSIC is a rule of thumb to provide guidance on when a band is likely to merit an article, not a rule to be slavishly followed. A band comprising all of Sham 69 minus their singer plus another notable singer is clearly worth covering somewhere in the encyclopedia, and would merit inclusion in both the article on Sham 69 and the article on Stiv Bators, or ideally in a separate article to prevent duplicating the information in two articles. Even if this subject failed to meet the relevant notability guidelines (which it doesn't), there are alternatives to deletion here which, should make deletion a non-starter. --Michig (talk) 18:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Information about Dave Parsons (who has a standalone Wikipedia page about his life and career, in which it mentions his participation in The Wanderers) has been added. Additionally, thanks to Michig there is going to be inclusion of the links that were posted to this talk page in the original article, so as to prevent deletion of this page. -CarmenRRida (talk) 09:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.