Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Wheat Thin Bomber Incident


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wheat Thin Bomber Incident

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Speedy contested, looking for WP:V and WP:RS. Elevating for discussion, but I believe this is a delete. UtherSRG (talk) 11:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete per nom. While this may not be a hoax, it does fail both WP:NOTABILITY and WP:RS. I did a gSearch for "A Gaper's Guide to Jackson Hole", one of the references and guess what I found, just the article, nothing else, Also found nothing on the author of the book, "Dojen Gurhani". Two of the references don't even mention this "incident and one that does is unreliable. Not a hoax, but a very un-notable incident that also fails WP:RS. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 *  Strong Delete  Totally un-notable and not even a candidate for Uncyclopedia. I looked up '"Tensleeper Press"' and guess what? Peridon (talk) 11:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just looked up '"Steve Swan" "wheat thin"' and apart from Wikipedia (2 entries) absolutely nothing. Same for '"wheat thin bomber"'. I can't even find 'Slight River' as a town - or even as a place. Who can demonstrate that this ISN'T a hoax? Peridon (talk) 12:01, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The so-called Togwotee Dispatch has only one contributor, its creator, and virtually no content. "Yottaly joined our community, Today, 3:31 AM EDT" (quoted from http://togwoteedispatch.wetpaint.com/whatsnew - wetpaint.com being a free web-hosting site). Peridon (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, how odd. The creator of The Yellowstone Tribune is Yotta Yoctaly. About six hours ago. No older site activity is listed. I change my !vote to Speedy Delete as this is a hoax and would mention WP:SNOW as having relevance to this discussion. Peridon (talk) 12:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delelte - No evidence of notability as all "sources" are faked (and would fail as local news anyway). Did I ever tell you about the time one of the other instructors rewired the controls on my scooter while I was in class? Not quite 6 boxes of Wheat Thins out of a plane window, but still pretty funny. We still talk about it all the time, not that it was notable... - SummerPhD (talk) 13:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete - I just found this page, so I apologize for a slow response. I'll say what I said on the talk page: I know this seems fishy, but you have to realize that it's coming from a part of the world that simply doesn't use the internet for its normal, day-to-day business.  I can get you pictures of the same stuff in print, if you like, but I don't know that you would take that any more seriously.  I know this is a very informal sort of proof, but here's a picture of a "Wheat Thin Bomber" T-Shirt that I found.  I would point out two things: 1) People do not make T-Shirts about things that never happened, and 2) people do not make T-Shirts about things that are not interesting.  As for the credibility issues, I'm not sure what to say.  The sources I cited are not exactly encyclopedias; they're basically tourist literature, the sort of stuff you get at welcome centers and novelty shops.  The book is much the same.  I don't know where it's published, or if it's produced by professionals or amateurs or what.  But they are sources.  Besides which, this isn't exactly a controversial topic.  I would think that somewhere throughout all this you would at least come to believe that the event did happen and that some people do care, and beyond that the sources don't really matter for something of this nature.  I've been looking at the Wikipedia citation guidelines, and it seems to me that the only circumstances for which sources are absolutely necessary are those that involve some sort of conflicting info, which doesn't seem to be the case here.  If it's really a problem, put a request for more citations at the top of the page, but at the very least remove the deletion candidacy.  YellowstoneOutfitted (talk) 15:56, 26 May 2010 (UTC) — YellowstoneOutfitted (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Another thing comes to mind, regarding the first two citations. The event took place in the thorofare region of Wyoming, which is a very noteworthy area, since it is the farthest you can get from a road in the lower 48 states, is home to the earliest hunting season in the state, is one of the only places in the world that straddles drainages of two oceans, and forms a critical part of the greater Yellowstone ecosystem.  However, there is no Wikipedia article about this area, and the only references you can find to it online are passive mentions in either commercial outfitters' sites or personal pages about expeditions in the area.
 * If you're not from Wyoming, this is bound to seem strange. But the fact of the matter is that people from this state don't write wikipedia articles; I've traveled all over the U.S. and abroad, and the only place I've found that is more remote (as a whole) is rural Alaska.  Even there internet has more of a presence than in most of Wyoming, since alternative media are even harder to come by.  This event is not un-noteworthy or a hoax, it's just begotten of a region and a culture that is probably very foreign to most people who are not themselves a part of it.  YellowstoneOutfitted (talk) 16:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC) — YellowstoneOutfitted (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * My final petition is this: The Wheat Thin Bomber Incident, whatever else it may be, is interesting. Or at least I think so.  It is not vandalism, it is not hurting wikipedia's image or credibility, it is not defaming anyone, it is not unreasonably promoting anyone, it is not inhibiting any more important issue from being addressed, and it is not altogether poorly written.  It does not violate any of the statutes for which wikipedia stands.  And finally, it may be useful or interesting to someone, somewhere, sometime.  If you have found it even the least bit meritorious in some regard, than it may have been worth it.  I am not going to pursue this issue any further; I am not a passionate wikipedia editor by nature, and I would have preferred not to have spent as much time as I have debating this issue.  I merely felt like the claims against this article were unfair, and I wanted to justify them reasonably.  I have made all the justifications that I am willing or able to make.  I am signing off now, and I don't plan on returning, either to add to what I've said or to see how others respond.  I leave this to the rest, and I only ask that they earnestly ask themselves whether this article stands to benefit or detriment the wikipedia as a whole. YellowstoneOutfitted (talk) 16:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC) — YellowstoneOutfitted (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment These papers haven't got a single ghit - not even a directory reference that comes up. Nor has the cited book. This doesn't do much for their acceptability as sources. Anyone can get a t-shirt with anything on it. I have one that says 'So many cats, so few recipes'. Doesn't mean I eat cats. As to rural Alaska, an editor on Wikipedia that I know from elsewhere lives in fairly rural Alaska. The main problem here is that no sources are showing up that we can regard as reliable. Both those papers going online at the same time as this article appears, and both carrying the subject and little else? Have a look at WP:DUCK and you'll see what we mean. So far, you appear to be the sole source - assuming you are Yottaly and co - and therefore if this is not a hoax, it is Original Research WP:OR. Happening in a notable area doesn't make something notable in itself. And if the area is so notable, why not give us an article on it rather than this almost non-event? Peridon (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The book is allegedly published in Slight River, Wy, by the Tensleeper Press - according to the information given by the creator who now doesn't seem to "know where it's published, or if it's produced by professionals or amateurs or what.". As the info is supposed to be on pages 85 and 86, I would imagine some professional involvement. If it was home produced on legal size paper at four pages to a sheet folded/stapled, that would be a minimum of 22 sheets which would take a reasonably large amount of force to hand staple - plus a long arm stapler. (I am a professional...) As I said above, I can find no evidence of the publisher or the town or village - or even the river. I would be interested to hear how the Togwotee Dispatch manages its paper edition and what its circulation is, not to mention who they are seeing as Togwotee Pass (elevation 9658 ft/2944 m) is a rather high mountain pass. Peridon (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Incidental to the above, why are both these 'papers' carrying the story of something that 'happened' nearly five years ago? Rural and out in the sticks maybe, but I do wonder... Peridon (talk) 09:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wyoming-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete I don't often participate in AFDs anymore, but I couldn't pass this one up. Obviously most of the stuff on this page is misleading or false.  The Thorofare Plateau is only about 16 miles from the nearest road, and only about 50 miles from Cody, Wyoming.  Rugged yes, notably remote no.  The nearby Two Ocean Pass is notable for having a stream that drains into two oceans and indeed we have an article about it.  We also have an article about Younts Peak which is the most notable peak in the immediate vicinity of the Thorofare Plateau and the headwaters of the Yellowstone River, so the region is already reasonably represented on the pages of Wikipedia.  As to the ruralness of the area, the event in question occurred between two of the more technologically savvy areas in Wyoming; Cody and Jackson, Wyoming.  Both cities have well established newspapers (both of whom have an online presence), so it is highly unlikely that this event would have gone undocumented both on paper and online.  I don't doubt that something resembling this event probably occurred and that a handful of locals in the area consider it to be a fine tale, but there is an alphabet soup of policies that preclude it from being included in Wikipedia, sorry.  And on a personal note, I am from Wyoming, and I've written plenty of Wikipedia articles, thank you very much.  But thats okay, feel free to keep underestimating us. CosmicPenguin ( talk• WP:WYOHelp! ) 05:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete The evidence to establish notability does not exist. Nuttah (talk) 14:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Just reporting that there has been no activity on either of the online 'newspapers' since the 24 hours of their creation, which was approx. five days ago. Peridon (talk) 09:30, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax, http://www.wetpaint.com/ provides a "roll your own website" service. -- Nuujinn (talk) 11:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
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