Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Willo Steakhouse


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Monty 845  00:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The Willo Steakhouse

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And another...I went to this place when on a vacation with my dad in Nevada City. I decided to write an article about it. I'm being told via the talk page it fails notability, though no one would nominate it. And, a user who had one problem with a protection move I did on an Israel related article happened to stumble across it and gut a large part of it as promotional (though I base my work after good articles in WikiProject Food and drink).

So, I figure I will let all of you decide if this is notable or not (aka i wasted my time :) )

I think it passes WP:GNG - multiple reliable sources. but, ya'll might think otherwise...

Thanks! Missvain -- Yup, this is SarahStierch's original username! 05:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep passes notability with references. i found an image of the sign at the library of congress, though that doesnt prove notability (my copyright tag is all messed up, but it IS copyright free)Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:13, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Undecided - but please see my comments on the talk page for this article - particularly the idea that there is a large number of restaurants in the USA (and I guess most of them must have some press comment, even if in a local paper - so many would pass the simple notability test). Should Wikipedia have thousands of pages about restaurants, or should there be a higher standard of notability for this sort of subject?ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 12:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: While the administrator who wrote the original puff-piece of an article couldn't have done much worse a job if she was a paid marketing writer (probably worth discussing elsewhere), I believe the business is notable per WP:CORP as there are plenty of references to it including content from the Library of Congress. This nomination appears to be a passive-aggressive response to criticism of the article and should be closed quickly.  The Dissident Aggressor 13:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I should have disclosed that I contributed a significant amount of cleanup to this article. The Dissident Aggressor 17:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. It's just a restaurant. It's been reviewed. Restaurants get reviewed; it's normal. Not at all notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:13, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Is this basically WP:IAR, WP:CORP need not apply? The Dissident Aggressor 17:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Coverage must be more than routine. This coverage is not. Restaurants are routinely reviewed in the media. -- Necrothesp (talk) 20:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. NickGibson3900 - Talk - Sign my Guestbook  09:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:15, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:25, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Note:Comments moved to talk page - feel free to revert if objections. The Dissident Aggressor 06:08, 3 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep. I commented above with an objection about this AFD, but the comment was moved to the Talk page of this AFD.  I am okay with that.  I do object to "fake AFD"s.  Glancing at the article, not that i care much, it seems to have a few reviews, so weak keep i guess, i dunno. -- do  ncr  am  16:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 03:42, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete It's just a run-of-the-mill restaurant with run-of-the-mill coverage from very minor media sources (hyperlocal or "alternative" or both). I took at look at the article's history to see what it was like before recent deletions, but the same comment applies. I know dozens of restaurants that I enjoy, that have interesting histories and a strong local following - but I don't write articles about them, and wouldn't unless they clearly met GNG. In the case of a restaurant, store, hotel, or similar one-of-a-kind local establishment, my GNG criterion is significant coverage from at least two publications of at least regional impact. I'm not seeing that here. --MelanieN (talk) 00:11, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Looking through the non-trivial references in the article, we have a local newspaper (#1), two "alternative" newspapers in major cities (#2 and #3), and a regional magazine (#5). The restaurant also won an award (and got more significant coverage) in Sacramento magazine (another regional source) and was featured in a Via magazine article, which covers a multi-state region. This was less coverage than I'd like to see (particularly given that no regional travel books seem to mention it), and whether that meets the GNG is probably a matter of interpretation. Three regional sources with significant coverage and a handful of local/alternative sources (some in the Bay Area, which doesn't include the restaurant) seems to pass "significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources", though, if perhaps barely. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 04:04, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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