Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Workmans Club


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The result was delete. Not enough significant coverage to establish notability. RL0919 (talk) 03:50, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

The Workmans Club

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Relatively small music venue (300 capacity/standing) and late-bar which doesn't appear to meet WP:ORGDEPTH or WP:GNG. Within the article itself, the main claims to notability seem to be that it is next-door to U2's hotel, once hosted a DJ-set by Cillian Murphy, has been used for gigs by a number of notable bands, and was previously the home of a long-standing workman's club. All of which is "notability by association". Problematic under WP:INHERITORG. Outside of the article itself, the potential claims to notability that I can find do not stack up. In terms of WP:SIGCOV, I can only find listicles of this usual variety, loosely related articles like this, or "gig reviews" like this. In each case, the venue is not the primary subject of the coverage. I'm just not seeing enough coverage to support a notability claim. Guliolopez (talk) 14:50, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I found some sources: one indicates it won some award, while the other is an overview from Conde Nast Travler. I'm not sure if these establish notability, but the Conde Nast one appears reliable. 💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 11:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks. I had found the same sources as part of WP:BEFORE. In my view the awards piece didn't/doesn't contribute to notability. As the very definition of a trivial mention. (Where the bar is not the primary topic. And its name simply appears alongside the names of 25 other bars.) The Conde Nast piece is a 400 word review. Perhaps I'm overly harsh on these things, but I wouldn't typically expect reviews in Lonely Planet, Conde Nast, TripAdvisor, Nat Geo Traveler and similar review sites as being especially contributory to notability. (Not every bar or hotel, reviewed by such outlets, is worthy of its own article.) Would the Conde Nast article be useful as a source to support text in the article? Yes. Likely. Would the Conde Nast article be useful in confirming the notability of the subject? No. Not on its own anyway... Guliolopez (talk) 14:49, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * DeleteYeah, I'm inclined to agree; The Conde Nast source seems to be reliable, but I don't think notability is established. If there were a few more sources like it, but alas.... 💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 17:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 01:51, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - I tend to agree, it would need an actual substantive mention, supported by, maybe, 1-2 reviews. The old actual working men’s club might have been notable, this modest venue has a thin case so far.77.245.4.67 (talk) 06:58, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Spleodrach (talk) 12:24, 11 October 2019 (UTC)


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