Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The World seen from the train


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 19:48, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

The World seen from the train

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Article fails WP:GNG because there is little to no coverage in reputable sources. Although there may be some in the future, it doesn't appear to exist now. LexisNexis search of major world news sources found no articles under the English title or the French title. Could not find good sources in French or English that would establish notability (Google hits are all to wikipedia pages). AbstractIllusions (talk) 21:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Seems to be correct. Maybe a mistake in the title of the program, in english version: the real translation is and not, as precised by the channel Voyage, owned by Fow News and National Geographic  Channel. Coverage in reputable sources: -the same three channels (Voyage, Fow News and National Geographic  Channel) -articles in french (see the french version -the distributor: http://www.lukarn.fr/fiche.php?rub=1&id=247&lang=eng&PHPSESSID=25c318dfd25cf1f12c97a69ea6e6b19b Thanks. Paul Nemours

More: in french: see on Google and Wikipedia: Le Monde vu du train. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_monde_vu_du_train http://www.google.fr/search?q=le+monde+vu+du+train+%22le+monde+vu+du+train%22&hl=fr&biw=1058&bih=521&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your remarks. is a famous series in France and in the french-speaking countries, under the french title: Le Monde vu du train More: in french: see on Google and Wikipedia: Le Monde vu du train (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_monde_vu_du_train). is the english version, sold in various countries, with new episodes to be broadcasted in the next coming weeks.

The article has been checked. New sources have been added by contributors. Sources checked (in french specially, and english). Program broadcasted by the channel Voyage (owned by National Geographic) in french-speaking countries, with an english version. No deletion required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongino2011 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the article still lacks notability. In order for the article to be on the English wikipedia, it needs to have notability, which is defined as "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."  Right now the article has sources for: 1. from the distributor (which is not independent of the subject), 2. two laffont articles which do not talk about the show at all, and 3. An article with nothing more than the blurb from the distributor about the content of the show. None of these are significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. What is needed for the notability to be passed (from my perspective, and other editors may disagree) is: A discussion of the TV show in a key newspaper or magazine.  If Le Monde or Sud-Ouest writes about it, then the show is notable. So please add a reputable article (in French or English) about the show and the notability will be clear. Right now, the show still gets zero hits in Lexis, Westlaw, and other news searches in either French or any English title, and the content looks like it may be simply Promotion, which is not good.  Note: The French wikipedia page also appears to be non-notable (WP:NOTOIRE) right now and could use similar support.  AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:14, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the constructive remarks. New sources have been added (Le Figaro, one of the two main french newspapers, and Le Nouvel Observateur. Mongino2011 16:31, 23 December 2012 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 06:30, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Keep - It appears notable enough of a television program for me, and the additional refs seal the deal. Jus  da  fax   10:54, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing to indicate the series is notable. As an aside, the current article is almost completely WP:PEACOCK or WP:ADVERT. 1292simon (talk) 11:04, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Agree to keep for me also. New sources have been added, with references to newspapers and channels. Notable enough of a television program, with both french and international -ie english- version. Peterino 17:01, 25 December 2012 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.61.49.85 (talk)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 03:31, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - The additional refs seal the deal for me too. Ruth Roberts 19:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.249.244.32 (talk)
 * Keep I agree the new refs are enough for notability. Also agree it was peacocky and have toned down where text was just lifted from the production company's publicity. Mcewan (talk) 12:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - For those familiar with the works of Olivier Weber it makes no sense to remove this article. For a great number of viewers, the subject and the television series are as notable as the films based on the works of Paul Theroux. --Zananiri (talk) 19:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
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