Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Young Teacher


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 08:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

The Young Teacher

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Since this movie is extremely obscure, and information about it only appears on IMDb and Korean web portals, I'm guessing the only way this would meet WP:NF is if the claim, present in the earliest version of the article, that this was the first film released on VHS is true. However, after hours of digging, I can't find a single reliable source for this claim which dates to before the creation of the article. Every website and newspaper article about it that I can find, including the one cited in the article, dates after the article's creation. In fact, if you check the cited website, its source is "Google." And a Google search alone is probably not a reliable source. The first version of this article only includes an external link to the IMDb page and no other sources. If IMDb has a page edit history, I have no idea how to access it even with an account, so at this time, I cannot confirm or refute that the "VHS" claim was on IMDb before the creation of the Wikipedia article. Regardless, it would not surprise me if this claim originated on Wikipedia, and if so, then it's a hoax claim that has been spread on the internet for 13 years and made it into international newspapers, and it needs to be addressed immediately. I'm not even entirely convinced that this is a real film, honestly. The Korean Wikipedia article about the film was created over a decade after the English language version, and it doesn't cite any sources or even mention the "VHS" claim. Its external links are as follows: two Korean web portals (one of which apparently includes user-generated content), a website which openly states it gets content from the aforementioned web portals, and a dead link. The movie poster seems legit, as I can find a higher-resolution version than the one on WP which dates to 2004 via Google Reverse Image Search, but since I cannot speak Korean or Mandarin, I can't say for sure that this poster is for the same movie discussed in the Wikipedia article. Bottom line: I have yet to find a compelling reason why we should keep this page, and if we must, then the "VHS" claim needs a citation that dates before the creation of the article. Otherwise, this is nothing more than an obscure 1970s Korean drama film that nobody would remember otherwise. And perhaps it's even less than that. AnAbandonedMall (talk) 13:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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 * Comment. I have posted a message at the Japanese Wikipedia in hopes that someone in Japan can help find a better source as to what the first movie released on VHS was. IMDb does not have publicly available page histories; the closest we can get are past versions on the Internet Archive, but the versions available for this film's IMDb page don't go back far enough to be helpful. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep. The sources that claim this was the first film released on VHS are not great, but they do exist, and I haven't found any sources that suggest that a different movie was the first to be released on VHS. If better sources are found that call this claim into question, the film can be re-nominated for deletion at a later date. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:54, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No one has yet managed to find any information whatsoever from independent sources, so I don't think there's much we can write in the article here. Delete. 16:37, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Yabunirami (talk) 21:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per Nom. While IMDb is acceptable as an "External link" we cannot at present consider consulting it as a reliable source for information, especially concerning notability. We then look at the sources on the article and seeking sources according to WP:BEFORE. We give a lot of latitude in attempts to keep articles but when notability is challenged, especially when names of living people (ex. Se-hie Yun) are involved, then questionable sources provided (certainly dead links) and an inability for sources to be presented, does not mean we should just keep waiting for what may not be possible, since the article has been tagged since 2015 because it only has one source. Otr500 (talk) 22:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


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