Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Young and the Restless storylines


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus hard to read consensus here even after discounting those silly OMG 34 years, keep votes. Jaranda wat's sup 02:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The Young and the Restless storylines

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 * Delete - Wikipedia articles are not plot summaries. Otto4711 22:15, 11 *August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete As per WP:PLOT: Quote: "...should contain real-world context and sourced analysis,". Aside from soap opera fan sites, and magazines, one would be very hard pressed to find any soap opera storyline that was "newsworthy". Ariel ♥ Gold 22:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup, adding real life context where applicable. The modal very "should" indicates a recommendation, not obligation. The JPS talk to me  22:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. This article is not totally a 100 percent plot summary. For example, in the Lauralee Bell section, there is an undeveloped discussion about actress Lauralee Bell, the daughter of the show's co-creator, and how another cast member quit the show because of what he perceived to be nepotism. The Recasting section begins a discussion on the impact of the show's recasting. The 2000s ratings erosion begins to talk about the producers failing to spark ratings by introducing highly publicized storylines. All of this content needs to be cleaned up and cited, not merely deleted. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Zzyzx11. Mathmo Talk 04:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The article is called "The Young and the Restless storylines". It might as well be called "Plot of The Young and the Restless".  It is inherently a plot summary, no amount of clean-up can change that.  --Phirazo 04:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOT - Not the place for plot summaries. You just cant inject two lines of non-plot items and expect to say it is not plot summary.   The entire plot summary is sourced from the primary sources, with plenty of original research Corpx 06:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep the article is not all plot summary. Needs sourcing, but should just be tagged as unreferenced. Gung adin  22:04, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Any non-plot information that can be scraped out should be merged into the main article.--DLand TALK 01:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article was made because the main article had become too unwieldy. To get an article to a presentable standard, sometimes daughter articles are pertinent. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 09:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is better to trim the plot summary, instead of expanding it into a new article Corpx 13:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The show has gone on for almost 35 years. It gets to a point where trimming comes at the expense of the dissemination of information. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 00:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Batman has been running since 1939, yet there is no Storylines of Batman article.  "Better here than there" is not a very good reason to keep this article.  Reducing plot summaries in the main article is fine, but that doesn't mean it should be placed in its own article.  Every article, by itself, must be within policy, and this article is not.  --Phirazo 02:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Per ample precedent. Biggspowd 05:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article has plenty of real-world context, and is referenced.  This is also a good spinoff article from the main Y&R page, per WP:SUMMARY. --Elonka 22:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * STRONG KEEP This show has been going for 34 years and a separate "storylines" article is necessary to cover all of the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kogsquinge (talk • contribs)
 * This is not information that should be covered in Wikipedia at all, but most especially not in a stand-alone article. See WP:NOT. --Phirazo 17:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I think we all agree that WP:NOT does not say that there should not be plot information at all, but rather that such summaries should not be "solely a detailed summary of that work's plot." Normally that would mean that this should be deleted, however, WP:Summary would suggest that the plot information that would appropriately be in the Young and the Restless entry should perhaps be separated out to avoid length problems.  I think that creates a conflict between the policies.  To me, this is a different problem than Batman or Superman, which have been running for a long time, but less frequently.  This show is on 5 days a week and has been on for more than 30 years.  According to the article there have been 8,709 episodes.  Condensing that into a single section is impossible.  Since I view this as a conflict between two policies, I would err on the side of keeping content, hence I would keep it. JCO312 19:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:NOT#PLOT is policy, while WP:SUMMARY is a guideline. Corpx 20:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think that changes my opinion on this. I think that technical violation of WP:NOT is acceptable to satisfy the guidelines of WP:Summary and WP:Length.  To expand on this slightly, I think this is a fairly rare situation where it just makes sense to deviate from the WP:NOT policy.  There aren't a lot of mediums that have the volume of material that soap operas have.  Given that volume, it becomes impossible to integrate the material into the main article without making it absurdly long.  Rather than lose the content, which is clearly acceptable and is found on nearly every article about a film, television show or book, it makes sense to me to keep a separate entry.  JCO312 20:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * KEEP as per above. Break all rules if it hinders development of Wikipedia which is the case as above.Zginder 01:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.