Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The collapse of the Kamov - 27 in Kazan November 26, 1980


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

The collapse of the Kamov - 27 in Kazan November 26, 1980

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There's nothing in the article to meet WP:GNG. A helicopter crashed. Military helicopter crashes are quite common and per WP:AIRCRASH aren't usually notable....William 20:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions....William 20:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions....William 20:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions....William 20:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions....William 20:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I have just made some major modifications to the article as part of a discussion at the pump, so maybe it's better to re-assess your votes, or whatever, can't say as I care about some chopper crash somewhere, but it is different now. p.s. Personally I think the lot of you are hilarious for other reasons. (can anyone say 'deletion discussions take up more server space than the articles?' I mean just format the hard drives and tell everyone to F off, same principle, but more time-economic) Penyulap  ☏  13:53, 25 Jul 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete cant see anything notable, military accidents are far more common and I dont see anything unusual in this one. MilborneOne (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:AIRCRASH. De728631 (talk) 20:58, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge if possible, into any article within its scope, if not then Delete Eduemoni↑talk↓  22:01, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge info into List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1975–1999), then delete. Mjroots (talk) 22:41, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - the article seems to describe an incident that doesn't meet the inclusion criteria at WP:AIRCRASH. If it is decided to keep it the article will need a complete re-write and translation as it is close to incomprehensible to English readers. - Ahunt (talk) 23:24, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Friends of the mind! Help us translate the article to a normal, rather than fractured English. Remove always have time. --Dobryi TiP (talk) 06:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - or at best a small entry in an accidents section of the Ka-27 article (if there is one) (not an invitation to start one).Petebutt (talk) 10:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Military aircraft and helicopters, alas, crash rather often. Nothing makes this any more notable than any other. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

down with the deletionists!!! Booo!! Hisss.. Penyulap  ☏  13:59, 25 Jul 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Well you have done good work to make it quite a bit more readable, but it still isn't any more notable. - Ahunt (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Still not a notable for an article....William 00:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * still Delete - you could edit this till you are blue in the face and it won't be any more notable!!Petebutt (talk) 11:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If you hold your wiki breath long enough you turn wiki green, but I'm a smurf, so if I edit this until it gets deleted, and I'm sad to see it go, having lost all the work I put in to it, I would still be a little blue Penyulap  ☏  17:53, 28 Jul 2012 (UTC)

What happened? A helicopter ran out of fuel due to idiotic behaviour and the crew made an *emergency (crash?) landing* on an intersection in Kazan, damaging the helicopter(?), cables and a tram. As far as I can tell, that's what happened (the longish article makes it a bit hard to pick out the important pieces). Was anybody seriously injured? Not as far as I can tell. Notability? For Kazan (if at all). No notability for the Ka-27 article (as far as I can see). No notability for the List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1975–1999) article (as far as I can see). Suggest to take the essence of the incident (What happened, how/why/when/where, plus the outcome) and merge it into Kazan article. Tony Mach (talk) 19:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Kazan, not Kumertau – I misread that… Tony Mach (talk) 20:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, after I thought more about it, I think it will be best to move the article to 1980 Kazan Ka-27 crash landing, boil it down a bit so the information to text ratio is a bit better, change it from translated Russian to proper english (not my speciality) and then give it a short mention (Something like "A Ka-27 crash-landed on the 26th of November 1980 on an intersection in Kazan when it ran out of fuel due to operator error.") in the Kazan, List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1975–1999) and Ka-27 article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony Mach (talk • contribs) 07:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep – Notability (after reworking and using info from Russian article) is first: Crash on intersection in large city. And second: Rumors in the Soviet Union that dozens of people had been killed. Tony Mach (talk) 08:23, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, could someone move it to 1980 Kazan Kamov-27 crash landing, if that is OK? I don't think I have sufficent rights to do that. Tony Mach (talk) 09:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: While I think your suggested new title is a good idea we don't normally move an article until the AfD is completed, just to avoid confusion. If it survives AfD then it can certainly be moved. - Ahunt (talk) 11:39, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * First: Notability is not inherited. It crashed on an intersection in a large city; that merits a mention in the city article, it doesn't make the crash notabile because it was in a big city. Second: You said it yourself: rumours of dozens of people killed. Where are the reliable sources for that? - The Bushranger One ping only 20:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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